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Posted Jan 26, '13 at 11:30pm

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,557 posts

Socialism won't work. It leads to Communism which never works either, it's just a dictatorship with with tiny bits of either one, or both. Nobody really needs 200 million dollars, but why not?


This is untrue. Socialism does not lead to Communism. You can run a socialist economy and keep democracy. So that does not count toward answering my question. You're just stating something you dislike about a socialist economy.

Nobody really needs 200 million dollars, but why not?


Because spreading that 200 million dollars around can help a lot more people than if one person were to keep it to themselves.

everyone is supposed to be equal in the sense that you could make 200 million dollars yourself if you wanted.


Really? Do me a favour, go make 200 million dollars. Actually better yet, go tell a person suffering from severe manic depression to make 200 million dollars. Anyone can do it, right? If those with crippling mental illnesses, but they're just too lazy, right?

However, a small government with freedom, like the founding fathers of america intended, would work.


Your founding fathers were hyprocrites in the worst sense. You Americans really need to stop glamorizing your nation's history.
 

Posted Jan 26, '13 at 11:43pm

Carnage1995

Carnage1995

99 posts

So, do you want parts of socialism, or a complete socialist government?

Forcing people to give away their money? Sounds like a very free country....

How were they hypocrites? And why not glamorize it when it's infinitely better than where we are now.

 

Posted Jan 26, '13 at 11:53pm

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,557 posts

Forcing people to give away their money? Sounds like a very free country....


It's called taxes... You pay them whethr you want to or not.

So, do you want parts of socialism, or a complete socialist government?


It is my belief that a government should provide four things to it's people: A right to life, security, education, and health care.

With those four things a person may live healthy, free and educated so that they may get the most out of life. A man should not die young and ignorant simply because he cannot afford something. Also, you failed to comment on my point of mental health.

How were they hypocrites? And why not glamorize it when it's infinitely better than where we are now.


Because ignorance is not fitting for anyone. Your constitution stated that ALL MEN were protected by its rights and yet your founding fathers were slave owners. That, good sir, is hypocrisy. And 1776 was a much worse time to live in than now. Poorer health and education, a constant threat of the elements, the fear of a British invasion. If you think world is dangerous now, you obviously have no grasp upon history. History is not there for people to place it upon a pedestal, it it there so that we may learn from it, so that we may gain knowledge and move forward. Nostaligia is sweet, but it should never be an ideal.
 

Posted Jan 27, '13 at 12:34am

Carnage1995

Carnage1995

99 posts

Yes, taxes, yes. But not saying, You make 200 Million? That's too much. Hand over half, so we can spread it, while you're at it grow food too, an give half of it away.

It is my belief mentally retarded people should be care for, but not with my tax money, why should I and others pay for broken people? They shouldn't be allowed to reproduce or go to school, or even get a job. Depending on the severity. I see kids at school all the time deformed, completely brain dead, some can't even talk except for occasional sounds/laughs. I look at them and think, how could something like that happen? That's terrible, and I hope they are cared for until they die. But at the same time, I'm just min blown as to why they would bring in a child that can't speak, and can barely listen to any instructions whatsoever to school. Most of those kids, even the ones that aren't really bad, but aren't good either, just color. Maybe throw a ball around if they have Physical Education. I wonder why my taxes must pay for him to sit at school and color all day. It's wrong.

Also, if I can work as a janitor and make the same money as a doctor why would anyone bother to be a surgeon, a doctor, a lawyer, a programmer, or anything else unless of course they really wanted to? I'd do programming as a hobby, but you can bet I'd be a janitor and making that bank too.

Taxes should be low by the way, much more than they are now.

We have the right to life, the police/myself will protect it. Security? Well, go buy a home system, and the government will have it's army and a good defense, though not overblown as it is now. Education is not a government matter. And Health Care is not a government matter. That's not to say they shouldn't be provided, but the government should definitely not be the providers.


A lot of the important figures in our country back then did own slaves, most treated them good. Times change you know? Look at Homosexuality, it's now accepted mostly by younger people, but by country people a lot, and older people, they are mortified at the fact of homosexuality. Eventually they'll die out and we won't have the gays are evil crap anymore. Also consider slavery was on it's way to being abolished too, at different times, though congress never agreed, the religious, likely, homophobic, superstitious people would say stuff like you can't declare equal what god created unequal. So modern day republicans... Oh sorry, didn't mean to let that slip out.

And I agree, a lot of things were bad back then, but then again, you had to worry about criminals, and foreign invaders, and at one point, each other. But nowadays, you have to fear your own government. Everything I'm typing now the government can see, every text, message, video call, phone call, it's all there for them, they could pin-point my location and view every object and person in my home from their computers right now. That is too much power, why you don't agree is beyond me. Getting involved in any conflict that hasn't posed any threat to you, is wrong. Sending assault rifles into mexico giving them to the drug cartels is wrong, giving missiles to al quade/Taliban is wrong! Taking away freedoms to protect you is wrong.

 

Posted Jan 27, '13 at 12:58am

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,557 posts

Hand over half, so we can spread it, while you're at it grow food too, an give half of it away.


You know how farms work right?

It is my belief mentally retarded people should be care for, but not with my tax money, why should I and others pay for broken people?


Broken people? So someone who suffers any form of mental illness is broken? Congratulations you just entered a level of ignorance that is not only offensive to roughly one quarter of the American population, but to anyone with common sense.

They shouldn't be allowed to reproduce or go to school, or even get a job. Depending on the severity. I see kids at school all the time deformed, completely brain dead, some can't even talk except for occasional sounds/laughs. I look at them and think, how could something like that happen? That's terrible, and I hope they are cared for until they die. But at the same time, I'm just min blown as to why they would bring in a child that can't speak, and can barely listen to any instructions whatsoever to school.


Everyone has a right to life. Your constitution supports these people just as much as it supports you, that sir, is utterly reprehensible. To consider any human being below you for something that cannot be accounted for, for something that cannot be controlled is inhuman. To care for these people is expensive, more than most people can afford, should we let these people die? Should we kill them off simply because YOU believe they do not help society?

Also, if I can work as a janitor and make the same money as a doctor why would anyone bother to be a surgeon, a doctor, a lawyer, a programmer, or anything else unless of course they really wanted to? I'd do programming as a hobby, but you can bet I'd be a janitor and making that bank too.


Not how socialism works. You're thinking of communism, please educated yourself on the difference between the two. There are varying degrees of socialism, I support private industry, however I do not believe that education and healthcare should be privatized.

Education is not a government matter. And Health Care is not a government matter. That's not to say they shouldn't be provided, but the government should definitely not be the providers.


Why not? Should not everyone be provided with equal oppourtunity? Or should society merely favour those rich enough?

Eventually they'll die out and we won't have the gays are evil crap anymore


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, but that sentence implies you want homosexuals to die out. Explain.

. But nowadays, you have to fear your own government.


Only if you choose to be that paranoid. Personally I have issues with my government, but that is because I am not a Conservative. However, I would never fear my government. Why should I?

That is too much power, why you don't agree is beyond me.


It is not power that concerns me, but the use of power. Since the government is not abducting you for speaking out against it, I cannot say then that they have too much power. A government who abuses power, is one that has too much power.

Getting involved in any conflict that hasn't posed any threat to you, is wrong. Sending assault rifles into mexico giving them to the drug cartels is wrong, giving missiles to al quade/Taliban is wrong! Taking away freedoms to protect you is wrong.


Yes, I agree. However, think about this: the society reflects the government.
 

Posted Jan 27, '13 at 1:07am

SeaTurtle

SeaTurtle

120 posts

I haven't followed the story, but I'm happy to know that people exist who can out hack the government. The Feds have become self serving, and the Internet and anonymity are the perfect tools for revolution.

 

Posted Jan 27, '13 at 1:14am

Carnage1995

Carnage1995

99 posts

People who work on farms to sell it, obviously. But if you're growing it for your use you shouldn't be forced to share I mean. Not everyone with a mental disease. I have ADHD myself, it's not even a hindrance on my really. I mean people who have it really bad, they can't talk and barely follow instructions. I don't think we should kill them, but there is NO POINT, none at all to send them to school. I'm not going to pay taxes for kids to color all day.

Private businesses and charities help a lot actually. Point is, as far as I'm concerned, the government need to GTFO out of everything. Education in America is bad, why is it private schools, have better students? The Department of Education is horrible, nothing but a bunch of fools running schools, and not worrying about the children's education, but the scores they make on state tests, because, as we all know, higher state test scores = more money for them.

I think healthcare should be free in some ways I guess. But I don't want the government paying for it.

You do realize America is $16 Trillion dollars in debt because it's determined to starts wars and join and fund nearly everyone out there? You do realize my country has the highest incarnation rate in the world and that more than half for for non-violent drug crimes? You do realize America spends more than double any other country the world on it's military and defense budget?

So yeah keep adding on to these departments of education, healthcare, and all that other crap. Make us even more poor.

I don't mean gays will die out, I meant the homophobic people that hate them will. Mostly old people/rednecks.

And I don't really fear the government, but when they can detain you indefinitely, without question, and execute you, no questions asked, then I get a little worried, sorry, that's just me... And they can do that. It clearly violates the constitution, but the heck with that thing, it's just a stupid piece of paper...

And the government has done thing like that. Speaking out against the government is a big no, no.

Case: Schneck Vs. United States. It was later lifted, but the fact is, it was in effect before...

 

Posted Jan 27, '13 at 1:34am

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,557 posts

Education in America is bad, why is it private schools, have better students? The Department of Education is horrible, nothing but a bunch of fools running schools, and not worrying about the children's education, but the scores they make on state tests, because, as we all know, higher state test scores = more money for them.


The abolish the private schools. If there were no private schools this would not be an issue.

But I don't want the government paying for it.


Taxes would pay for it, not the government. Therefore the people would pay for their own healthcare through taxes.

You do realize my country has the highest incarnation rate in the world and that more than half for for non-violent drug crimes? You do realize America spends more than double any other country the world on it's military and defense budget?


Being a Canadian I am very much aware. I never said I liked your government.

So yeah keep adding on to these departments of education, healthcare, and all that other crap. Make us even more poor.


Rememeber the man with 200 million dollars? Tax him. Close off his loop holes in the system and tax him. Why should the poor pay for what they cannot afford? Now, obviously everyone gets taxed, but the rich should be taxed to a greater degree than the poor. I do not support the rich.

And they can do that. It clearly violates the constitution, but the heck with that thing, it's just a stupid piece of paper...


Your constitution is outdated, it needs to be revised.

Case: Schneck Vs. United States. It was later lifted, but the fact is, it was in effect before...


Link?
 

Posted Jan 27, '13 at 3:27am

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,856 posts

Private businesses and charities help a lot actually. Point is, as far as I'm concerned, the government need to GTFO out of everything. Education in America is bad, why is it private schools, have better students? The Department of Education is horrible, nothing but a bunch of fools running schools, and not worrying about the children's education, but the scores they make on state tests, because, as we all know, higher state test scores = more money for them.

Your education is horrible because idiots like you protest against taxes. This in turn ships back at you. If you die on the street because your ailment could not be paid for, or your children grow up stupid as bricks because you thought TANSTAAFL (There aint' no such thing as a free lunch) was a stupid idea, do not blame the government. Blame your stupidity.

I think healthcare should be free in some ways I guess. But I don't want the government paying for it.


So you mean you don't even know squat about taxes?

You do realize America is $16 Trillion dollars in debt because it's determined to starts wars and join and fund nearly everyone out there? You do realize my country has the highest incarnation rate in the world and that more than half for for non-violent drug crimes? You do realize America spends more than double any other country the world on it's military and defense budget?


You spend more on your military then the next 27 countries combined. What is odd about you is that you are largely right-wing except for this paragraph, where you swing to Gandhi's ideals. Hypocrisy much?

And I don't really fear the government, but when they can detain you indefinitely, without question, and execute you, no questions asked, then I get a little worried, sorry, that's just me... And they can do that. It clearly violates the constitution, but the heck with that thing, it's just a stupid piece of paper...


Are you implying 1780 America was the best place to be? When despite 'All men should be equal' you still had black slaves?
 

Posted Jan 27, '13 at 4:27am

Mickeyryn

Mickeyryn

249 posts

Wha the hell. Ahwkay, the stupid government should stop using our **** tax dollars to fund the **** military to get into and keep fighting wars and picking fights with the next country over, and the people cant keep their noses to themselves, and think they can control everything and make everything better and take the **** matters ito their own hands. Also, we cant be giving away money to people who are too lazy. If you spend a whole lifetime with generations upon generations of work, and someone **** well decides they should make you share your hard earned money with some other no-name (sorry, NoName) off the street? Hell no! I mean, I get it if your crippled in any way or mentally disabled? They should hae a program for that, of course. Cutting that off would be absurd. Though still giving money to people like my old next-door neighbors, the "monkeys", who just **** freely put themselves on welfare every month: all that money that they use to buy alchohol and tobacco. If they hae to give them any money at all, highly limit it, so the money strictly goes to food, housing, and like $20 bucks left over for pocket change. **** people know how to work the system. They need to make the guidelines also stricter for applicants for welfare. And Carnage, brah, wolf is right, dont enter that level of ignorance that makes you look like a fool in front of everyone else. But wolf, if you are disrespecting the rights that has made me who I am and you are disrespecting the rights that this country was built on, if you are, shut up. The founding fathers-hypocrites? Explain.

 
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