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Posted Apr 10, '13 at 11:22pm

thepunisher93

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Shariah law, where head of the state is the servant of the subjects.

 

Posted Apr 15, '13 at 4:34pm

gaboloth

gaboloth

1,629 posts

People in this thread spent three pages telling me that it wouldn't be right if the state could control people's money once they're dead. Now you jump in and you say that the state should control nearly every aspect of people's lives, public and private, when they are still alive. Oh well.

where head of the state is the servant of the subjects.

Does that mean the subjects are free to disagree with the head of state and ignore the shariah? Because people usually don't take orders from their servants.
 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 10:56am

crazyape

crazyape

1,800 posts

Well, here's my two bits worth.

Countries should be controlled by those strong and/or intelligent enough to keep the populus in check, while still retaining their loyalty through assisting economic growth, and advancing domestic sciences.

Democracy is not the best system of government, it is, in fact, a result of poor leaders. In a perfect world, we would be ruled by one intelligent, comprehensive person/being, preferably having the welfare of the human race in mind.

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 11:09pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,713 posts

In a perfect world, we would be ruled by one intelligent, comprehensive person/being, preferably having the welfare of the human race in mind.


Communist leaders and dictators would love you
 

Posted Apr 17, '13 at 1:09am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,242 posts

Knight

Communist leaders and dictators would love you


What's up with people thinking that Communism is an idea geared towards the establishment of a bloodthirsty, iron-handed revolutionary vanguard? Quite the contrary. True Communist parties aim to in fact implement a system where government and the state steadily erodes and fades away, into a stateless society.

Democracy is not the best system of government, it is, in fact, a result of poor leaders. In a perfect world, we would be ruled by one intelligent, comprehensive person/being, preferably having the welfare of the human race in mind.


Democracy is not the best until you glance at the alternatives. Having one person who can juggle such massive tasks sounds sophisticatedly yet simplistically exquisite, yet to find such a person will never be possible.
 

Posted Apr 17, '13 at 1:26am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

What's up with people thinking that Communism is an idea geared towards the establishment of a bloodthirsty, iron-handed revolutionary vanguard?


Probably because the most well known examples of communism have been bloodthirsty, iron-handed revolutionary vanguards. Though you're right those aren't good examples.

Democracy is not the best until you glance at the alternatives.


"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." - Winston Churchill
 

Posted Apr 17, '13 at 1:56am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,242 posts

Knight

Probably because the most well known examples of communism have been bloodthirsty, iron-handed revolutionary vanguards. Though you're right those aren't good examples.


Blearh, and we're supposed to be politically educated for democracies to work.

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." - Winston Churchill


Wanted to quote him, but it was so cliched that people won't take it seriously.
 

Posted Apr 17, '13 at 2:47am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,713 posts

What's up with people thinking that Communism is an idea geared towards the establishment of a bloodthirsty, iron-handed revolutionary vanguard? Quite the contrary. True Communist parties aim to in fact implement a system where government and the state steadily erodes and fades away, into a stateless society


Uh-oh...I think I might have to offer an explanation...

I'm fully aware of the idea of True Communism vs Communism in reality..what may statement implies is that the idea never truly works out, and "true" communism, as we have seen in our real world examples, dissolves itself into the communism in reality that we are apt to seeing. Leaders will promise these ideals that crazyape has stated, but the follow through tends to be disastrous for the (or a hefty population of the) people
 

Posted Apr 17, '13 at 2:53am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,242 posts

Knight

I'm fully aware of the idea of True Communism vs Communism in reality..what may statement implies is that the idea never truly works out, and "true" communism, as we have seen in our real world examples, dissolves itself into the communism in reality that we are apt to seeing. Leaders will promise these ideals that crazyape has stated, but the follow through tends to be disastrous for the (or a hefty population of the) people


We don't see ''Communism in reality", we see Socialism (the so called fifth stage of historical progression in Marxist thought), and a very poor and withered form of Socialism at that. Marx did hypothesize about the formation of a proletariat dictatorship, which ironically refers to he democratic organization of the working class. What we saw in the Soviet Union and subsequently, all other ''Communist" states which followed its example, is the hijacking of such a process by a small clique of party members (recall Stalin and his entourage, or Kim's, or even the Khmer Rogue), derailing the Socialist progression before it even entered the phase that was to entail Communism.
 

Posted Apr 22, '13 at 5:09am

Goldfish13

Goldfish13

16 posts

I'd have to argue either a democracy, or possibly a republic.
Democracy is flawed, sure, but empirically, I'd have to say it's the best we have at the moment.

But in all seriousness, I'm not exactly the highest authority on this matter (*cough* the lowest), and as such, any words I'm saying here will probably be wasted. Purely for discussion purposes.

NB: Basing democracy on this definition right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

 
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