ForumsWEPRnot believing means send to hell?

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xAyjAy
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let us say there could be places like heaven and hell...

..what would happen with people who can not believe after they die? what happens with people who never had the chance to believe anything after they died? what happens with people who forgot that there is a god (altzheimers) or people who are mentally handicapped or people in a coma when they die?

my point is that believe can not be the only "thing" that decides wether they get into heaven or hell (if these places even exist).

just a thought i had today.

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pangtongshu
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Kasic
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I'm going to conclude something, to get this out of the way.

-Any god that claims to be all loving and condemns its creations to eternal torture simply because they did not believe in it during their life is anything but all loving. An all loving figure would be overjoyed to actually show themselves to the nonbeliever and would want them to be happy regardless of such a petty thing.

xAyjAy
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Or, of course, there is "Pet Heaven"


as funny as this was, this created a new question: does a plant heaven exist too? the same counts for hell, of course.
EmperorPalpatine
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does a plant heaven exist too?

Don't forget about insects, germs, and parasites.
MageGrayWolf
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Don't forget about insects, germs, and parasites.


It was a hot place full of fire and brimstone! The extremophiles called it heaven....
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as funny as this was, this created a new question: does a plant heaven exist too? the same counts for hell, of course.


Well of course! Plants that do good as commanded by the Plant-God go to plant heaven, where water is ever-flowing to them, the soil is rich, and light is of no necessity.

Those that commit plant sin, however, go to plant hell...Where they are punished in a number of horrid ways: Being mowed every 3rd day, having caterpillars crawl over them and eat them, having bees hover over them and getting their plant hopes up that they will be pollinated, being a plant in America, etc
EmperorPalpatine
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plant sin

I suppose that includes pollinating more than one other plant, self-pollination, and 'spilling seeds'.
MageGrayWolf
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This seems just as good a place as any to post this.
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As others have pointed out, if you don't believe you go straight to hell. No excuses. In the bible (i'm too lazy to go searching) it describes that even babies that have been unbaptized and have died are sent to hell. Imagine hundreds of millions of babies in eternal anguish simply because they weren't baptized. That type of cruelty is one of the reasons I have never believed in god. If god were truly the almighty that christians make him out to be, he wouldn't send babies to hell for all eternity. He wouldn't kill the babies in the first place.

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As others have pointed out, if you don't believe you go straight to hell. No excuses. In the bible (i'm too lazy to go searching) it describes that even babies that have been unbaptized and have died are sent to hell.


I don't know where you got that, but that isn't included anywhere in my religion. Can you point a source?
EmperorPalpatine
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it describes that even babies that have been unbaptized and have died are sent to hell.

A baptism only applied to those who could comprehend their sins and acknowledge that they need Christ to absolve their sins, undergoing the 'spiritual rebirth' described in John 3:3-6. Babies don't yet have this capability. However, God does personally kill David's baby [2 Sam 13-19 in contradiction of Deuteronomy 24:16 and Ezekiel 18:20.
xAyjAy
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and what if babies get baptised, do they get then to even after they die?

Kasic
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and what if babies get baptised, do they get then to even after they die?


Exactly. Seems like the most humane thing to do is just baptize all the babies and then slaughter them all. That way they -for sure- go to heaven. Wouldn't that be the kindest thing to do?
xAyjAy
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but then the person who killed them would go to hell for murder...

Kasic
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but then the person who killed them would go to hell for murder...


So only have a select few people do it, and then the most people possible can go to heaven.

And hey, God forgives people who believe in him, right? They're doing a good thing, making sure everyone goes to him.

Or am I mistaken in that God wants everyone to be with him? Oh wait, why would he have created hell then...
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