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not believing means send to hell?

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 10:58am

MRWalker82

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Eh recession isn't hurting me much. Still working about 60 hours per week. Guess I'm more fortunate than many.

 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 11:04am

nichodemus

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Urgh, my dad has to do 80-85. Consequences of an SME.

 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 11:06am

xAyjAy

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We're all in hell already, ergo your belief (or lack thereof) is meaningless, as is this line of discussion. XD


have you seen the movie constantine?

it could be possible that heaven and hell are on earth...maybe we are all in a dream and when that dreaming being wakes up then "our" universe will end...who knows?
 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 11:09am

nichodemus

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I don't want to know.

 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 8:38pm

fantasy4life

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it could be possible that heaven and hell are on earth...maybe we are all in a dream and when that dreaming being wakes up then "our" universe will end...who knows?
A theory I had as a toddler, that what we perceive as reality is nothing more than a "shared dream", where laws of nature are made by conflicting with other dreams from different people, the more people agree on something, the more vivid and real it is, where less becomes less real, or even nonexistent. And since more and more people believe or are convinced that supernatural forces don't exist or have doubts about God, the more it's likely to become a reality/was a reality. The theory is filled with holes, but in my defense I was 5.
 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 10:32pm

MageGrayWolf

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A theory I had as a toddler, that what we perceive as reality is nothing more than a "shared dream", where laws of nature are made by conflicting with other dreams from different people, the more people agree on something, the more vivid and real it is, where less becomes less real, or even nonexistent. And since more and more people believe or are convinced that supernatural forces don't exist or have doubts about God, the more it's likely to become a reality/was a reality. The theory is filled with holes, but in my defense I was 5.


That does seem to be the way theists treat belief though.
 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 5:48am

Nerdsoft

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I say that you shouldn't be punished eternally for a non-eternal crime and that the only person who deserves this is God, for sending people to hell. But I don't believe in that rubbish anyway, so I'm fine. Incidentally, Allah is considerably more lenient. Muslim Hell is not a place of eternal torture. Everyone (even the Shaitan/Satan) will eventually be forgiven.

 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 3:26pm

xAyjAy

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A theory I had as a toddler, that what we perceive as reality is nothing more than a "shared dream", where laws of nature are made by conflicting with other dreams from different people, the more people agree on something, the more vivid and real it is, where less becomes less real, or even nonexistent. And since more and more people believe or are convinced that supernatural forces don't exist or have doubts about God, the more it's likely to become a reality/was a reality. The theory is filled with holes, but in my defense I was 5.


you had these thoughts while you where five years old? whoa...

we will know everything after we died. if there is a hell and a heaven, if this is only a dream or if there is nothing. but what if we reincarnate? would we know it then too?
 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 3:47pm

MageGrayWolf

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we will know everything after we died. if there is a hell and a heaven, if this is only a dream or if there is nothing. but what if we reincarnate? would we know it then too?


We wouldn't know if there was nothing by dying as the capability of knowing wouldn't exist. We can however examine what it is we are dealing with right now. For us to be aware we would require some form of consciousness. For our consciousness to exist after our physical bodies die it would require duality to our nature. As far as we can determine no such duality exists. It's all the result of physical properties interacting with each other. The strongest evidence of this is how we can alter our consciousness by altering these physical interactions. If we have a dual nature it makes little sense that altering physical interactions would alter a consciousness that is part of something else.
 

Posted Feb 15, '13 at 5:35pm

xAyjAy

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dual nature...do you mean something like a soul? or what else do you mean?

 
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