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xAyjAy
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let us say there could be places like heaven and hell...

..what would happen with people who can not believe after they die? what happens with people who never had the chance to believe anything after they died? what happens with people who forgot that there is a god (altzheimers) or people who are mentally handicapped or people in a coma when they die?

my point is that believe can not be the only "thing" that decides wether they get into heaven or hell (if these places even exist).

just a thought i had today.

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let us asume god exists. now let us asume that he/she/it is nice and kind. someone who was a good person but did not belive in god gets send to hell because of the lack of believe in god? that does not sound loving, kind and nice to me...

when god is so allmighty, then why not carring weither people belive in him/her/it or not? reminds me of a card from magic the gathering:

unicorns do not care if you believe in them any more than you care if they believe in you. heres the picture

what happens with the animals, plants and other living beings when they die? are they all send to hell just because they can not belive / they never believed?

I believe in a Heave and a Hell. We could sit here and debate to the end of time what the other is, looks like, or is made for. The debate cannot be won, because no on really knows.


i think you read the question/title of this thread wrong...my question was not IF there are places like heaven and hell, nor what they look like, my question was what happens when you are a good, but not believing person. will you then get send to hell just because of your lack of believe?

"oh, look, this person never did anything wrong to other people, he/she was allways nice and kind and helped others. you even rescued many lives by risking your own many times. you get send to heav...wait a minute, you never believed in me, your creator and god? go to hell!"

"now this other guy, who murdered thousands of people, including innocent children, gets send to he...wait, you are a strong believer and you did it to save these sinners, not to mention that you did it in my name (even i never said you are allowed to kill in my name), but hey, you belived in me, feel free to go through the gates to heaven!"

...yes, it is your believe and not what you did before you died what decides weither you go to heaven or hell... *beware, sarcasm*

Thing is, he made humans to be perfect.


then why are humans fighting/killing eachother when we are so perfect? why are some poeple racists when everyone is perfect? why are we different when we should be perfect? why are we weak, get ill and die when we are sooo perfect?

i asked my mother (she believes in god) not believing means send to hell (not exactly these words but the same meaning) and she said: when i do not believe in god then i can not get to hell because i do not believe in hell either. but since i (she meant me) got my baptism i get send to heaven nonetheless. dafuq?

no need to mention that i did not say anything to not start a heated discusion.

I believe this (although satirical) video fits perfectly with the theme of how things have been going in this thread


that was hilarious! just pray, prayers will solve everything. that made my day xD
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what happens with the animals, plants and other living beings when they die? are they all send to hell just because they can not belive / they never believed?


If I'm not mistaken..as popular belief goes..they do not have souls. So for animals...it is perfectly fine and acceptable that they will live their lives and then "move on" into a world of nothingness..but if one was to believe humans do the same..that is a no-no
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I'm going to conclude something, to get this out of the way.

-Any god that claims to be all loving and condemns its creations to eternal torture simply because they did not believe in it during their life is anything but all loving. An all loving figure would be overjoyed to actually show themselves to the nonbeliever and would want them to be happy regardless of such a petty thing.

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Or, of course, there is "Pet Heaven"


as funny as this was, this created a new question: does a plant heaven exist too? the same counts for hell, of course.
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does a plant heaven exist too?

Don't forget about insects, germs, and parasites.
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Don't forget about insects, germs, and parasites.


It was a hot place full of fire and brimstone! The extremophiles called it heaven....
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as funny as this was, this created a new question: does a plant heaven exist too? the same counts for hell, of course.


Well of course! Plants that do good as commanded by the Plant-God go to plant heaven, where water is ever-flowing to them, the soil is rich, and light is of no necessity.

Those that commit plant sin, however, go to plant hell...Where they are punished in a number of horrid ways: Being mowed every 3rd day, having caterpillars crawl over them and eat them, having bees hover over them and getting their plant hopes up that they will be pollinated, being a plant in America, etc
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plant sin

I suppose that includes pollinating more than one other plant, self-pollination, and 'spilling seeds'.
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This seems just as good a place as any to post this.
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As others have pointed out, if you don't believe you go straight to hell. No excuses. In the bible (i'm too lazy to go searching) it describes that even babies that have been unbaptized and have died are sent to hell. Imagine hundreds of millions of babies in eternal anguish simply because they weren't baptized. That type of cruelty is one of the reasons I have never believed in god. If god were truly the almighty that christians make him out to be, he wouldn't send babies to hell for all eternity. He wouldn't kill the babies in the first place.

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As others have pointed out, if you don't believe you go straight to hell. No excuses. In the bible (i'm too lazy to go searching) it describes that even babies that have been unbaptized and have died are sent to hell.


I don't know where you got that, but that isn't included anywhere in my religion. Can you point a source?
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it describes that even babies that have been unbaptized and have died are sent to hell.

A baptism only applied to those who could comprehend their sins and acknowledge that they need Christ to absolve their sins, undergoing the 'spiritual rebirth' described in John 3:3-6. Babies don't yet have this capability. However, God does personally kill David's baby [2 Sam 13-19 in contradiction of Deuteronomy 24:16 and Ezekiel 18:20.
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and what if babies get baptised, do they get then to even after they die?

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and what if babies get baptised, do they get then to even after they die?


Exactly. Seems like the most humane thing to do is just baptize all the babies and then slaughter them all. That way they -for sure- go to heaven. Wouldn't that be the kindest thing to do?
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