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xAyjAy
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let us say there could be places like heaven and hell...

..what would happen with people who can not believe after they die? what happens with people who never had the chance to believe anything after they died? what happens with people who forgot that there is a god (altzheimers) or people who are mentally handicapped or people in a coma when they die?

my point is that believe can not be the only "thing" that decides wether they get into heaven or hell (if these places even exist).

just a thought i had today.

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MageGrayWolf
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What you don't know is that I have indeed stopped for a while and thought a bit (and by a bit I mean a lot) about where I was going and what I was doing. Hell, I was an agnostic before. As you can see, I've changed my ways of thinking.


Yet you believe based on no evidence. Since there is no evidence I don't see how you could have possibly used any sort of critical thinking on the matter and come to the conclusion of using faith as a metric.

Without evidence "proof" there is no difference between believing what your religion says and believing those emails saying some guy in Zimbabwe wants to give you his millions.
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Yet you believe based on no evidence. Since there is no evidence I don't see how you could have possibly used any sort of critical thinking on the matter and come to the conclusion of using faith as a metric.


Last time I checked, faith needed no evidence. At least I don't, because the only evidence is what good there is in people that makes you say 'wow'. That is proof enough for me.

Without evidence "proof" there is no difference between believing what your religion says and believing those emails saying some guy in Zimbabwe wants to give you his millions.


You mean that you want proof that God exists?
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You mean that you want proof that God exists?

Not necessarily (if you've got some, take it to the T&A thread), but at least evidence for your claims of His qualities (overall perfection, benevolence, justice, love, mercy, etc) and what He's done (creation [take that to T&A], free will, moral guidance, created heaven & hell, etc).

the only evidence is what good there is in people

Yet that ignores the bad there is in people which shouldn't be present.
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Yet that ignores the bad there is in people which shouldn't be present.


I never said that. Think what you like and insult me how you may, my opinion is adamant.

Not necessarily (if you've got some, take it to the T&A thread), but at least evidence for your claims of His qualities (overall perfection, benevolence, justice, love, mercy, etc) and what He's done (creation [take that to T&A], free will, moral guidance, created heaven & hell, etc).


Just by giving you the free will to not believe in him, that is evidence enough.
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I'm going to start work on the new Anthill RPG so what time I have for AG is going to be channeled into it. I'll not post in this thread for a while, but I'll be back.

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I never said that. Think what you like and insult me how you may, my opinion is adamant.


You fool, all you are doing is making yourself look indoctrinated. By playing the hurt individual card, you've successfully made yourself look unintelligent. Your opinion may be adamant, but your actual logic is quite flawed.

-Blade
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Just by giving you the free will to not believe in him

It really depends what you mean by 'free will'. I recommend you read Romans 9 which says God made some people to honor Him, and some to dishonor Him, to which I respond with McCoy's statement.

my opinion is adamant.

Keeping any views set in stone rarely works out (ex: the Church and geocentricism).
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Last time I checked, faith needed no evidence.


That's the entire problem with faith, it's the belief without evidence. That is simply ignorance.

because the only evidence is what good there is in people that makes you say 'wow'. That is proof enough for me.


All that shows is that people are capable of doing altruistic things. It doesn't show the origin of why they do it and definitely doesn't indicate any supernatural intervention.


You mean that you want proof that God exists?


If the goal is to get me to believe this stuff than that is required.

my opinion is adamant.


So basically you're saying you're completely closed minded?
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OperationNilo, I have three questions for you.

What do you believe love to be?

Why is faith a good thing?

How is God just to eternally punish people?

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Kasic
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I believe this (although satirical) video fits perfectly with the theme of how things have been going in this thread


I laughed at the end. "Those who scored 1 or higher will pray for you."

Guess I'm good then, since prayer solves everything.
OperationNilo
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Debating in real life is so much easier than on the internet, hahaha, you have me as a witness. No hard feelings, right?

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Debating in real life is so much easier than on the internet, hahaha, you have me as a witness. No hard feelings, right?


we could care less about hard feelings, but my best advice for this matter is look before you leap. you jumped into this without any idea how skilled in this matter the people here are. you just spouted foolish claims without backing them at all, and you expect to get somewhere? some agnostic you once were.

-Blade
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Debating in real life is so much easier than on the internet, hahaha, you have me as a witness. No hard feelings, right?


Debating in real life is easier for those who believe in faith, because none of your claims are backed up. On the internet, we can call out specific passages easily and also ask you to provide proof.

Face to face is only what each brings with them. As we don't carry around a bible, 5000 sources on evolution, various statistics about religion and much more, it's easier for you to just say, "well, I'll believe x because I want to and you can't prove me wrong."
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some agnostic you once were


Thanks!
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