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Do the Illuminati exist?

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HahiHa
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I don't know about you, but the post I quoted was not sarcasm. Having trouble, are we? :/

I think it is. See it as a sarcastic way to tell the OP to stop with that stuff. Fight fire with fire.
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I don't know about you, but the post I quoted was not sarcasm. Having trouble, are we? :/


99% sure that it was sarcasm. So yeah. This is why sarcasm is bad to use with words unless it's very obvious, because sarcasm is detected by tone of voice.
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of cores i do!

pokemonrocks126
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honestly i do belive in secret societys but not the illuminati or however you spell it also theirs a funny thing that people joke about that ash ketchum and pikachu are part of the iluminiati because ash started out as ten and years later hes still ten so they say he sold his soul to the devil to live forever but thats fake
buuut i am in a secret society of cats that noone knows about

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I believe there are, because it's just plain ol human nature for people to keep secrets from eachother. I like believing that there are secret societies of people out there, and a lot of them are supposed to be looking after your human race, and that's nice of them. Of course, there are also societies for anarchy and stuff, and that's not as good. See, I just like believing (to a certain extent) a lot of things I read, which is why it seems like half the stuff I say at times is completely impossible.

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You guys are too stuck in reality. They do exist. They are a Luciferian group who believes to bring about the New World Order. Ever wonder why they put chemicals in our water and food, people say things but not the Mainstream media? Why are there negative things such as drugs and sex being promoted in our videos? Why are there backward messages in music? Why are there subliminal messages in CHILDRENS CARTOONS? It's all about control guys. And doing Satan's bidding. They believe that he is the true creator. I'm not turning this into a religious debate either. It doesnt matter whether you believe in God or not. Regardless, they are out to control the masses. And i agree, they are hiding in the open. But the masses are too influenced by mainstream to know or even care. I believe many of you are in denial and need to wake up. I've done plenty of research, and i can say they are very much real.

Kasic
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They do exist.


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Ever wonder why they put chemicals in our water and food, people say things but not the Mainstream media?


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Why are there backward messages in music?


Because of either coincidence or artists who want to have some lols. And because it makes their music more popular.

Why are there subliminal messages in CHILDRENS CARTOONS?


Again, lols/popularity.

Regardless, they are out to control the masses


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I believe many of you are in denial and need to wake up. I've done plenty of research, and i can say they are very much real.


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Show us said research. Where are your sources? Who wrote them?
pballaddict
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Where are YOUR sources?

Kasic
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Where are YOUR sources?


For the who knows how many times, the one making the claim needs to prove it. I'm not saying anything, I'm asking how you 'know' that what you're saying is right. If you've done said research and actually have proof, giving it to us should be no problem.
pballaddict
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Nah bro, but you are also saying they aren't. So if they aren't, then there shouldn't be any problem with proof. Other than that, your statement is invalid.

Kasic
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Nah bro, but you are also saying they aren't.


What I am saying has nothing to do with your claim.

If you were claiming rainbow elephants existed and that they flew at an altitude of 500m and were invisible, you would still need to prove that claim even if I claimed that they were in fact pink and had giraffe necks. What I am saying has nothing to do with your claim.

Also, I'm not making a claim to begin with. Saying "Show me proof" is not a claim, nor is taking the neutral stance of "I don't think they exist because I have not seen evidence of them."

Provide proof of your claims.

So if they aren't, then there shouldn't be any problem with proof.


My &quotroof" in this instance is that I have no evidence for them. Provide me with some and I will view it and come to a conclusion.

Other than that, your statement is invalid.


You have no concept of logic, do you?
pballaddict
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I would provide proof, but you would probably call it spam,
And you too should provide proof. An Even Steven.

Kasic
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I would provide proof, but you would probably call it spam,


Not if you told me why said article was linked, or it was self evident.

And you too should provide proof. An Even Steven.


I and others have said this many times. We are not making the claim that the Illuminati exist. Saying that we have no evidence is not making a claim. You are the one saying the Illuminati exist AND that you have done research which proves that. Link the evidence which you already said you have or please kindly shut up.
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And you too should provide proof. An Even Steven.


*ehm ehm*

If you believe something doesn't exist, the lack of proof is evidence in this case.

What you should be doing is offering some proof (You've already named several things already). You will then ask for Kasic to examine the proof and explain if he thinks it is valid or not. However, make sure the proof is presented in order and is very exact. Don't say, "Subliminal messages in songs". Say, "Subliminal messages about the illuminati in (Insert song here) at 3:45 on the song".

He will then say "It is not valid because of _________". You will then argue over if the proof is real or not. Eventually it ends with no one changing opinion and a bad opinion of each other.

The end.
pballaddict
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You are right about that, but what is your side?

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