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Posted Feb 14, '13 at 3:35pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

interesting. this would mean that evolution would always happen the same way.
but it doesn't...


If you were able to reproduce all the same selective factors on the same organisms you could reproduce the exact same evolutionary processes. Though the ability to reproduce all such parameters would be nearly impossible, resulting in differences each time. Though under similar ecological conditions you do see similar traits arise independently. This is a process known as convergent evolution.
 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 8:02pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

That just makes you sound like a troll.


What the freak, what is the definition of a troll not the ones in LOTR but the one you just called me. You really sound like a no lifer right now.

If your God is real and he has interacted with reality that puts God in the realm of science.


Well if God made Science would Science be in the realm of God?


God being true is also not what it seems. You're using a feeling to determine that the particular God you follow is real. There are others with feeling that some other god is real. What's the difference between the two of you? You can't both be right.


In that post i was just saying that one day if you get to heaven and you did not believed in god and all well your chances of going to the Celestial Kingdom is not that good.
 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 8:09pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

"insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time"-Einstein


Interesting. this would mean that evolution would always happen the same way.
but it doesn't...


I do not think that would fit in the category they are talking about. If we went back in time. The same animals would not reproduce some Mass extinctions would not happen and Some animals would go extinct before they where meant to.
 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 9:41pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,242 posts

Knight

What the freak, what is the definition of a troll not the ones in LOTR but the one you just called me. You really sound like a no lifer right now.


Internet Troll:
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 9:59pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

Thank you

 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 10:10pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

You really sound like a no lifer right now.


I wasn't exactly calling you a troll, just the way you replied there sounded as such.

Well if God made Science would Science be in the realm of God?


Science (the methodology) wasn't created by God. It's a process we developed through philosophy. Some would argue that science is still a form of philosophy, though I would say it's developed to be something more.


In that post i was just saying that one day if you get to heaven and you did not believed in god and all well your chances of going to the Celestial Kingdom is not that good.


That doesn't address anything I said there, please try again.

Specifically "What's the difference between the two of you? You can't both be right." can you answer that question?
 

Posted Feb 14, '13 at 11:47pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

93 posts

Science (the methodology) wasn't created by God. It's a process we developed through philosophy. Some would argue that science is still a form of philosophy, though I would say it's developed to be something more.


Yes but everything is created by God.
 

Posted Feb 15, '13 at 12:54am

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

2,534 posts

^indoctrination.

Blair, as long as your mind is closed like this, the only way you can truly gain intellect, and learn how the world works, is by going beyond your mental boundaries.

I hate having to say this, but I'm going to use persuasion now. This is the actual story of my life before I deconverted.

I want you to know that before I dropped the useless appendage that is religion, I was a one of the only Mormons at my school (I'm betting you're one of those Utah Mormons where all but about 10 students of your school are members). I was one of only 4: me, my brother (who became a nihilist), a friend from my childhood (a jack Mormon), and his little brother. I was picked on for my beliefs, and baited to fight (I'm a pacifist by nature. Add Mormon to that and I won the different boy jackpot). I held to my beliefs for 2.5 years, even after my brother fell away. I endured every insult you could think of from the upperclassmen of my tennis team every day for the entire time. I did nothing to them, and I begged them sometimes to leave me be. Desperate, I prayed for solace. I endured for years, and prayed for acceptance. I slowly grew dead inside hoping for a way to escape because the bible said The Lord would help me be able to bear it (1st Corinthians 10:13). I still fought to the very end, but one day I was on my bed having one of my normal breakdowns, when I said to myself, "no kind god would ever let one of their faithful suffer like this". This made me realize that god isn't kind, which made me wonder what else I was lied to about. I searched parts of the bible, and found multiple inconsistencies. The god of the Old Testament was (according to my former beliefs) devoted to justice. There were no acts of justice in the Old Testament, but there were multiple acts of brutal destruction, and exploitation. It made me angry to read about how god justified his own actions. This eventually made me realize that my religion is wrong, and maybe all of Christianity as well. In my rage, I cursed my beliefs, and felt a weight fall off that I had never felt before. I looked at these forums, and saw atheism, and how they don't believe in a deity. I was fascinated, and started reading about evolution, science, logic, and even bits on anthropology. I saw how there has always been different gods for different times, and it made me realize that none of these gods could've possibly existed, including my own. I became an atheist, and a very angry one at that. In the beginning, I did everything I could to deconvert the people around me, and I even did end up doing so to one of them (I gave him the final push, and he is now one of my best friends). I even went to a bible study group that the diehard Christians go to every Friday after school, and laughed about their beliefs out loud (which sparked a pretty heavy debate after the session that left one of them speechless, and another shaken. Believe it or not, I'm friends with him now).

I leveled out, and came to terms with myself. After I did, I found it easier to talk to people around me, and my life has taken a turn for the better since. The point is that my prayers were never answered, so I had to rely on my own strength, which only made me stronger.

-Blade

 

Posted Feb 15, '13 at 1:29am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,438 posts

Yes but everything is created by God.

*Allah
*Adroa
*Ahone
*Amotken
etc.

There were no acts of justice in the Old Testament, but there were multiple acts of brutal destruction, and exploitation.

Not to mention the NT's glorification of faithful terrorists.
 

Posted Feb 15, '13 at 3:15am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

Yes but everything is created by God.


So does that mean God created the sentence I'm replying to right now? Did God create this website we are conversing on? Are all the thoughts of God not existing in my head created by God?
 
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