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Posted Feb 18, '13 at 4:20pm

Vendablebow

Vendablebow

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People starving to death and fighting to live want to live. People depressed to the point of suicide to not want to live. They would rather everything just stop. It's not about being weak or strong either, so don't give me that crap. If you've never felt that way, you have no right to judge what others choose.

Should they have killed themselves? Almost certainly not. Would things have gotten better eventually? Most likely. Did they hurt others around them by taking their own life? Yes. Were they weak for killing themselves? Not at all.

If you have no idea what it is like to seriously consider killing oneself, please don't argue with this. Would you have the courage to jump off a cliff, or pull the trigger to the gun, or overdose on medication? Do you know exactly how much thought they put into it beforehand? It's not something that's done on a whim.

Obviously it is not something done a whim, but my point is why? What could be bothering you so badly you could kill yourself?

EX. Your married for 20 years, next thing you know, you find out your husband/wife has been cheating on you and you confront them about it. They leave you.

Would that be an time to kill yourself? I dont think so. If you kill yourself over someone else, thats just stupid and the science of weeding out the dumb ones begins to occur.

As for depression, well they make medicine for that, and it helps. See a doctor.

I see killing yourself as the pu**y was out, because it is. Lots of us have went through worse things that others. Others have went through worse than us, and they are still here, and they are still clicking. SO that in and of itself should show you who is weak and who is strong.

 

Posted Feb 18, '13 at 4:21pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,977 posts

No one would be better off if you killed yourself.

What of people who are doing horrible things to others, such as mass-shooters?

 

Posted Feb 18, '13 at 4:25pm

Vendablebow

Vendablebow

30 posts

What of people who are doing horrible things to others, such as mass-shooters?

You just threw a wrench into my logic lol

 

Posted Feb 18, '13 at 4:33pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,572 posts

but my point is why? What could be bothering you so badly you could kill yourself?

Depends on the person.

Would that be an time to kill yourself? I dont think so.

Here's the thing. We aren't talking about you. You don't understand the mindset and you're not even making an effort to. You just want to say people who commit suicide are stupid and weak and leave it at that.

As for depression, well they make medicine for that, and it helps. See a doctor.

Medication isn't always effective. It's also viewed as something bad in society, to be on meds. It also costs money, and requires a psychiatrist to properly diagnose your issues, which takes time. Then there's side effects from medications.

I see killing yourself as the pu**y was out, because it is.

And this is why I'm calling you shallow. You are making no effort whatsoever to understand that you do not understand.

Others have went through worse than us, and they are still here, and they are still clicking. SO that in and of itself should show you who is weak and who is strong.

Yes, but others aren't the ones who are having suicidal issues.

Depression isn't "oh I'm feeling so sowwy for myself." It's a chemical imbalance in the brain which creates physical effects on the body and thought processes. It's an illness. You're calling people weak for being sick, something they cannot control and went untreated for.

I'll say this once more. You do not understand. Once you understand that you do not understand, then we can move past this point.

 

Posted Feb 18, '13 at 6:23pm

Vendablebow

Vendablebow

30 posts

^^ Past the point of what? Not understanding what? That it is ok to off yourself because (YOU CANT TAKE IT)? Im sorry it is hard for me to understand it because it is bullsh*t. Everyone has a hard life, some worse than others, still no reason to kill yourself, and hurt your family, friends, wives, sons, daughters or anyone else.

People do not understand that when they do things like this, whatever pain they have means nothing to those they leave behind.

 

Posted Feb 18, '13 at 7:18pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,572 posts

Not understanding what?

That depression is an illness and that people aren't weak for choosing to kill themselves. They aren't some wimpy dope. It's a serious matter which they consider for quite a long time before making their choice.

That it is ok to off yourself because (YOU CANT TAKE IT)?

This is what you're not understanding. It's not about not being able to take it.

It's about not wanting to live anymore. At that point, it no longer matters if things might get better. It no longer is relevant.

Everyone has a hard life, some worse than others, still no reason to kill yourself, and hurt your family, friends, wives, sons, daughters or anyone else.

Stop being self righteous and look at what I'm writing. Yes, some people have worse lives that those who commit suicide. That's not the point. The people who have worse lives and are fighting to live want to live. Depression is a mental illness, it is distinctly different from being sad or making hard decisions.

People do not understand that when they do things like this, whatever pain they have means nothing to those they leave behind.

They do understand that their leaving will hurt someone. Most, anyways. What right do you have to say that they did not consider these things?

You have never been in a suicidal state of mind. As I have said before, please do not act as if you know, because you don't. You think you're better than they are and think they're weak, when all you're doing is being ignorant.

 

Posted Feb 19, '13 at 4:37pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,277 posts

It's about not wanting to live anymore. At that point, it no longer matters if things might get better. It no longer is relevant.

Going off what Kasic said..

Also..sometimes it isn't even fully just not wanting to live anymore..but to get out of whatever they are in..and they feel there is truly no other way to escape their pain and anguish

Suicide is a severe Defensive coping mechanism..others include withdrawal, substance abuse, self inflicting pain, and aggression. These people (the ones contemplating suicide) are already in a state of hopelessness, and their suicide is not a result of them "not being able to take it"..but a result of their depression pushing way past their breaking point

Everyone has their breaking point..physically, mentally, emotionally, and psychologically. This is not an arguable statement (take the strongest man in the world..give him weights to hold and keep adding to it..eventually he will be unable to hold him. Give the smartest man in the world a test over certain subjects..continuously add subjects to the test and eventually he will be unable to adequately complete the test, etc). Not having your breaking point met (despite having a "rough life") does not mean you are "stronger" than them, per se, but that you just haven't had it met. Maybe your coping strategy was more effective, maybe your idea of a "rough life" is different than their idea, etc

Also..you comment about how you don't get it because you have never had that mindset..but then continue to insult and belittle the people that have. Again, as Kasic mentioned, you are only being ignorant. You have no knowledge on that mindset, yet you assert yourself with the right to degrade that had that fatal mindset

 

Posted Feb 19, '13 at 5:14pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

2,044 posts

I just knew this was going to turn into a debate...

 

Posted Feb 19, '13 at 7:21pm

arkaninerenegade

arkaninerenegade

668 posts

Suicide is cowardly act committed by those with weak character. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

Posted Feb 19, '13 at 7:24pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,572 posts

Suicide is cowardly act committed by those with weak character. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Please read my previous posts and stop being a regurgitory device.

 
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