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Lanod
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i just read a story in the paper about a boy who killed himself and it was pretty sad. just wondering if other people have encountered suicide in their lives

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pangtongshu
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It's about not wanting to live anymore. At that point, it no longer matters if things might get better. It no longer is relevant.


Going off what Kasic said..

Also..sometimes it isn't even fully just not wanting to live anymore..but to get out of whatever they are in..and they feel there is truly no other way to escape their pain and anguish

Suicide is a severe Defensive coping mechanism..others include withdrawal, substance abuse, self inflicting pain, and aggression. These people (the ones contemplating suicide) are already in a state of hopelessness, and their suicide is not a result of them "not being able to take it"..but a result of their depression pushing way past their breaking point

Everyone has their breaking point..physically, mentally, emotionally, and psychologically. This is not an arguable statement (take the strongest man in the world..give him weights to hold and keep adding to it..eventually he will be unable to hold him. Give the smartest man in the world a test over certain subjects..continuously add subjects to the test and eventually he will be unable to adequately complete the test, etc). Not having your breaking point met (despite having a "rough life&quot does not mean you are "stronger" than them, per se, but that you just haven't had it met. Maybe your coping strategy was more effective, maybe your idea of a "rough life" is different than their idea, etc

Also..you comment about how you don't get it because you have never had that mindset..but then continue to insult and belittle the people that have. Again, as Kasic mentioned, you are only being ignorant. You have no knowledge on that mindset, yet you assert yourself with the right to degrade that had that fatal mindset
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I just knew this was going to turn into a debate...

arkaninerenegade
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Suicide is cowardly act committed by those with weak character. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Kasic
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Suicide is cowardly act committed by those with weak character. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.


Please read my previous posts and stop being a regurgitory device.
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You have never been in a suicidal state of mind. As I have said before, please do not act as if you know, because you don't. You think you're better than they are and think they're weak, when all you're doing is being ignorant.
Most people commit suicide because of some sort of sever trauma in there lives. I have had severe trauma in my life, my never for a moment considered killing myself.
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You have never been in a suicidal state of mind. As I have said before, please do not act as if you know, because you don't. You think you're better than they are and think they're weak, when all you're doing is being ignorant.
Most people commit suicide because of some sort of sever trauma in there lives. I have had severe trauma in my life, my never for a moment considered killing myself.
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I have had severe trauma in my life, my never for a moment considered killing myself.


That's great. Now, if you'll refer back to here...

"Depression is a mental illness, it is distinctly different from being sad or making hard decisions."

Read this.

People who commit suicide aren't weak. They're sick. You're only making the problems worse by perpetuating the idea that people who feel bad are weak and just need to tough it out.
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You fail to understand what depression is and is not. It is not a simple case of "Woe is me". It is not a problem of "getting motivated". As Kasic mentioned, depression is a disease, it is not a symptom . Mental disease is not simply willed away by being a strong individual. Depression has all the capacity in the world to rob you of the ability to lead a normal life. If you have not struggled with depression before, you just simply do not understand. When people tell you to "Lighten up" or to "Keep your chin up" it is means nothing. The notion that suicide is weak is extremely indicative of ignorance, and quite frankly, it is insulting.

Most people commit suicide because of some sort of sever trauma in there lives. I have had severe trauma in my life, my never for a moment considered killing myself.

Most people? I do not believe that for an instant. I'll say this once again: Depression does not stem from a set of bad circumstances. It is a disease.
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Most people commit suicide because of some sort of sever trauma in there lives. I have had severe trauma in my life, my never for a moment considered killing myself.


If Kasic's post wasn't enough..then read mine as well. You may have had trauma..but you can't compare yours to what theirs is. You don't know how it affected them
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Most people? I do not believe that for an instant. I'll say this once again: Depression does not stem from a set of bad circumstances. It is a disease.


Everybody has different thresholds of trauma they are capable of dealing with.
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Everybody has different thresholds of trauma they are capable of dealing with.

Absolutely, but do you honestly believe that most cases of suicide stem from some unfortunate circumstance? I am inclined to believe that most cases of suicide stem from mental illness.
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but do you honestly believe that most cases of suicide stem from some unfortunate circumstance?

I think negative circumstances enhance and perpetuate the problem, possibly to that point. If the person doesn't perceive a negative situation, what are they trying to escape from?
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Negative circumstances can definitely enhance and perpetuate problems, particularly if someone has pre-existing mental issues, but I do not believe that such a circumstance would drive someone to suicide unless it broke them, and as Mage said, everybody has different thresholds of trauma they are capable of dealing with. I find it difficult to assume that most people who have committed suicide did so because a negative circumstance broke them.

EmperorPalpatine
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a negative circumstance broke them.

Not necessarily a single event, but often a continuous series, possibly over years depending on the person.
Kasic
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Not necessarily a single event, but often a continuous series, possibly over years depending on the person.


That's more likely to lead to depression. A single traumatic event which would be beyond what they could take would be like losing their entire family in a house fire and being ~10 or so years old. Even still, that isn't enough to outright break most people. Constant reflection on that event may lead to depression though, which, if left untreated, may eventually lead to suicide.
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