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Posted Feb 22, '13 at 2:43pm

ihsahn

ihsahn

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the main is done ofcourse. the coding is done. and it works. but that still leaves open for updates on the hardware until short for release.
thats why the launch title's are never taking out a 100% of the system.
they are not making these games on these specs. they make them below it. so their sure the machine can handle it. and to keep room for improvements.

Launch titles never take 100% out of a system because developers take years to figure out how to do that. That's why Majora's Mask has improvements over Ocarina of Time, and both were made by the manufacturer itself.
Hell, compare early PS3 games to PS3 games coming out now. They're looking and playing better as a whole.

Besides, I'm not sure we're on the same page here. A large part of the hardware specs aren't just done, they're already confirmed, out there, announced by Sony.

they are now on every game site and they will be again whit the next wave of info. it's part of marketing.

That's arguable. They showed the controller and revealed the specs

have you followed apple the last few years a little? or the mobile market as a whole?
these "convenience" can be used in the promotion. and attract just those few more people.

Sony isn't Apple. And this isn't the "mobile market". That's not a general rule. Apple captivates people through their marketing and mystique, not because they're offering more features (and they really aren't).
Giving people extra crap and charging more, when you haven't even built confidence in your product - and the PS4 is brand-new - is bad for business.

Being affordable is central to a new console's sales. Look at the 3DS for instance, and how it was tanking up until Nintendo slashed the price. In fact, Nintendo was selling the Wii U at a loss when it launched, just to get people to buy it, and break even when they purchased a game.

the price of a disc drive in those amounts really isn't that much.

It's not just a disk drive though, is it? Because it's still blu-ray. It's the entire architecture, as was clarified in an earlier post. In my understanding that's almost like fitting another console in there.

why do you think the price on release is always above the 1000 and drop to 700/800 then 500 and end on 200/300?

I have no idea what you're talking about, because none of the consoles in this generation were ever sold "above the 1000" (unless there's some ultra-high end PS3 with 5TB storage I never heard of), and the reason why they get cheaper is very simple: they become simpler to manufacture as they become technologically surpassed.
Competitive pricing is paramount when talking about a new console's sales. Look at how much cheaper the Wii was than its competitors. People don't just buy new **** because it's new all the time; again, not every company is Apple.

and this can keep those that might consider to go to xbox next gen to stay. whitout it, it doesn't matter wich one to choose.

It's absolutely untrue to say "it doesn't matter". If you're a PS3 fan, you're more likely to go with the PS4 already, because you're already used to PSN and not paying for it, as well as attached to the exclusives that Sony has to offer. You're not going to switch just like that.

(And in my honest opinion you're making the right choice, because the PS3 is clearly the superior console and **** Microsoft.)

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 4:00pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

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I don't know about you, but I prefer to keep my consoles. I can see your problem though.

It's more of a convenience thing. I'd rather not find storage room for my PS2 and PS3 and have to switch the consoles out just to play a game I like. Plus, the common consumer isn't going to see the price and think of how less it'd be if the console couldn't play past games

Really, if you dont make a psn account, they you dont share anything. You wont be connected to the internet. You wont have social media. Nothing. You dont need it to play the games, its just nice to have for co-op or whatever you feel.

But here's the thing...we know next to nothing about the console. Well..we know about the console..but we know nothing of what it looks like. What we do know, however, is the "awesome" online features you could get with it. As far as I know, with their announcement, I might as well not get the PS4 because it seems that the focus for the console will be for social media/online usage. Again, just going off of their own announcement

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 5:21pm

IAgreeWithYou

IAgreeWithYou

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That's how they can have demos like Watch_Dogs

Watch dogs was running on PC to the PS4's specs.

social media/online usage.

If you have an internet conncection, what seems to be the problem? Do you just not want to use internet at all?

You can still play all the games co-op with your friend in the same room. You can play all the single player games. Why does it matter if they are bringing in some online stuff? What would you add for the single player portion of the console?

Ps4 will get a online subscription to similar to Xbox gold.

No source, probably a rumor. PS4 has confirmed free match making. Also, if it is Playstation+ with more stuff added on, I'm definitely getting it.

What we do know, however, is the "awesome" online features you could get with it.

So, what are these awesome features? There is a lot of offline features as well. For example, you can pause your game for upwards of 24 hours and it will be in a powersaving mode (which uses little power). Come back the next morning and you can be where you left off, without having to go back to your previous checkpoint.

so the pause button is now called share button? =p

If that's how you want to think of it, yes. However, let's compare this button to the iPhone. By itself, it really is just a open phone. However, due to the innovation of developers it is a great multi tool.

these "convenience" can be used in the promotion. and attract just those few more people.

It's been 10 years since the last console. There will be a whole generation of new gamers now. Do you think they'll go for the console that's cheaper? Or the one that can play old games.

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 5:36pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,704 posts

If you have an internet conncection, what seems to be the problem? Do you just not want to use internet at all?

I don't think you are understanding me IAgree...my irks are not with the online usage in itself..but the focus/emphasis they put on them during the PS4 announcement

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 5:47pm

IAgreeWithYou

IAgreeWithYou

419 posts

Well, what do you think they should have been talking about?

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 6:07pm

Kreitmaker

Kreitmaker

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Thank you, guys, for commenting on my forum thread.

I've never had a thread this populated with replies and views.

Keep discussing, but no flame wars. Okay?

Well, what do you think they should have been talking about?

Sony should have actually showed us the machine itself. It's underwhelming to see that they couldn't show the PlayStation 4 machine even though they actually showed us the DualShock 4.

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 7:31pm

daleks

daleks

3,315 posts

If Kingdom Hearts III come out on it I will grab one right away. I still might get one if it doesn't, looks like there would be a few interesting games coming out for it.

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 7:57pm

IAgreeWithYou

IAgreeWithYou

419 posts

Sony should have actually showed us the machine itself. It's underwhelming to see that they couldn't show the PlayStation 4 machine even though they actually showed us the DualShock 4.

I don't think it really matters what it looks like. You don't actually use it for anything other than putting the disc in. I'm sure they'll come up with a design soon enough.

 

Posted Feb 22, '13 at 10:53pm

ihsahn

ihsahn

431 posts

Watch dogs was running on PC to the PS4's specs.

Then they already have the specs set, don't they? That was kind of my point.

 

Posted Feb 23, '13 at 12:51am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,704 posts

I don't think it really matters what it looks like. You don't actually use it for anything other than putting the disc in. I'm sure they'll come up with a design soon enough.

Honestly, if they didn't show the console on purpose..I give them props. That's a genius marketing move

However, if they didn't do so as a marketing move, it's like me telling you about this awesome cake I just made and all the flavors involved, the texture, etc..and then walking away without showing you it. Even though you know what it is and what it is all about..there is that main element missing that we rely on heavily and love so dearly...visual imagery.

Visual imagery can make or break a person's interest in buying something. It's why fancy food restaurants "pretty up" their food, it's why bands/singers put a cover on their album, it's why we have models in advertisements for products.

 
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