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Will Christianity Die Out?

Posted Mar 18, '13 at 2:15pm

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

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maybe it counts that archive the mormons are making where they dont ask people if they want to be baptized. but just do so whitout them knowing it.

only when you're dead do they do that, but I digress.

-Blade

 

Posted Mar 18, '13 at 4:05pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,704 posts

250,000 into the Catholic Church this Easter more for other denominations... decreasing rapidly

Ok..seriously??

Did you forget or are you just flat out blatantly ignoring the links I gave you IN THIS SAME THREAD about how Catholicism is decreasing?!

 

Posted Mar 18, '13 at 4:27pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,076 posts

Knight

250'000 in doesn't really seem much compared to the 4mil out, according to Mage. But don't waste too many nerves arguing with someone that can't be argued with. Remember what he said:

Christianity won't die out.
That is all

Reminds me of a certain expression...
http://www.marliesluczak.de/images/brett.jpg

 

Posted Mar 26, '13 at 1:35am

thugtastic

thugtastic

164 posts

Why do you think Christianity will die out?
Also why do you criticize what I believe?

 

Posted Mar 26, '13 at 2:08am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,691 posts

Knight

Why do you think Christianity will die out?

The demographics indicate an overall decline not just in Christianity but in religion in general, it would fit with what we have observe happen to other religions in the past.

Also why do you criticize what I believe?

What makes you think your beliefs should be shielded from criticism?

 

Posted Mar 26, '13 at 2:08am

Kasic

Kasic

5,590 posts

Why do you think Christianity will die out?

A multitude of reasons. The first is that we have plenty of examples of previous religions dying out. The second is that we're already seeing a decrease in numbers of Christianity. Religion is no longer necessary to explain the world and a great many of its claims can be debunked or conclusively proven to be wrong. The more we learn, the more we see that religion was simply man's first attempt to explain the world and answer deep questions. It's an archaic form of thinking, and as more people become educated and stop teaching their children (the primary way religion continues) the faster it stops spreading.

We aren't criticizing what you believe (in this thread), but rather, your reasons for believing. Also, you repeatedly come back to this thread and restate the exact same thing, and we go through this all over again.

As for why we criticize religion in general (not just yours), that is because religion is a major source of the most heinous things plaguing our world today. Intolerance, ignorance, mutilation, war, sexism, homophobia, terrorism, indoctrination, extortion, corruption and more. I'm not saying that everyone who is religion is these, but that religion as a whole has been a blot on humanity since it became institutionalized in any instance.

 

Posted Mar 27, '13 at 12:42am

thugtastic

thugtastic

164 posts

terrorism

I am speaking as the "Devil's Advocate" in saying that this is mostly radicalist Muslims.
I just want to ask you something again... Can you prove a negative? (i.e. God doesn't exist)

 

Posted Mar 27, '13 at 1:32am

Kasic

Kasic

5,590 posts

I am speaking as the "Devil's Advocate" in saying that this is mostly radicalist Muslims.

In this day and age, perhaps. Not that there aren't still Christian terrorists, but I digress.

I just want to ask you something again... Can you prove a negative? (i.e. God doesn't exist)

We don't need to. When making a claim, it's up to the one asserting their view to prove their belief to others. Before you try to counter that we're asserting God doesn't exist, we're not the ones making the claim that he exists in the first place. Atheism is a neutral standpoint, not making any claims.

It's not our responsibility to conclusively disprove your belief, it's the responsibility of the one making the claim of its existence to show evidence.

 

Posted Mar 27, '13 at 2:10am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

5,011 posts

it's the responsibility of the one making the claim of its existence to show evidence.

Of course, but I think he means evidence for one making the specific positional claim that there is no God, the non-neutral standpoint.

(i.e. God doesn't exist)

First we'd need to establish a definition of "God" and a definition of "exist".

Can you prove a negative?

Technically, proof is for mathematical constructs. Outside of that, nothing is 100% proven one way or the other. Some things may intrinsically be true, such as calling the thing I'm typing on a "keyboard", but only because that's the label we chose to put on it.

To an extent, depending on how the thing is defined, certain traits, claims of actions, etc, we can determine a truth value of claims to a high or low degree of certainty based on the evidence presented. For example, if someone said a visible, physical, hairy, loud, tall, pink, ox-like beast that enjoys eating chocolate cake lived in their closet, each of those individual traits are testable to some degree. We could visually look for it, record sound in the area, use sound-detection like bats do to 'see' things, search for heat sources, search for hair or other forms of genetic data, look for footprints or waste or damage (like if the beast is tall, a high shelf might be severely dented), leave a piece of chocolate cake nearby and see what happens to it, etc.

With a transcendent creator God who supposedly created things with His voice in a certain order that was listed in an ancient book that He inspired, we can see how individual claims match up with our present understanding of how and why things are the way they are. For example, Genesis starts off with a watery earth existing prior to stars. This doesn't follow our current understanding of how planetary formation occurs. Based on the current evidence, the literal model would have a very low truth value until evidence arises to support it. And even if the claim of a watery earth existing before any stars is shown to be correct, it does not support the truth value of other claims. The existence of New York doesn't demonstrate Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, Iron Man, etc.

There are also logical arguments against specific trait claims, like the problem of evil.

 

Posted Mar 27, '13 at 12:56pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

 

  Also why do you criticize what I believe?

What makes you think your beliefs should be shielded from criticism?

i would really like to hear your answer on this thugtastic.

Can you prove a negative? (i.e. God doesn't exist)

it's up to those that make the positive claim to bring proof for this claim.
if they can't bring proof for there claim then there is no reason to believe this claim is true.

it's not up to us to disproof god. it's up to you to proof god in the 1st place.

 
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