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firedog12
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I for one think that Scientology is absolutely one of the dumbest religions ever. Scratch that, It's 2nd on my list. Heaven's Gate is 1st. Why do people believe such nonsense?! Scientology still goes on today too. I heard once you're in the cult, you'll never get out. What sickens me the most is that the creator of this "religion" was also a science-fiction writer. Really? You're gonna believe something a science-fiction writer wrote down? Seriously?

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EmperorPalpatine
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From what I've heard about it, they apparently use psychological tricks to make people feel better (such as repeating your problem in as many ways as possible until it's meaningless and you're desensitized). When people feel better, they're more willing to come back and listen to (and eventually believe) the progressively more insane stuff. And more willing to donate.

firedog12
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It's all just one big money making scheme. I give props to L. Ron Hubbard for brainwashing thousands (or maybe millions) of people into believing such loads of crap.

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I don't know much about Scientology, but it's more favorably ranked than many others from what I do know. I'll probably find more things to dislike if I ever look into it, as I've never had a reason to because I've never met a Scientologist.

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as I've never had a reason to because I've never met a Scientologist.


How bout a good ol' bunch to the guts for yeah

Donna and Hyde from "That 70's Show" (can't remember their actual names..and too lazy to look) are both Scientologists
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How bout a good ol' bunch to the guts for yeah

Donna and Hyde from "That 70's Show" (can't remember their actual names..and too lazy to look) are both Scientologists


Still doesn't change the fact that I've never met a Scientologist before.
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If we're looking at Scientology based on how ridiculous the story is, then let it be known that it actually isn't the worst on my list. From what I gather, Scientology is a religion like any other, but the only real notable difference is that it's magical being in the sky is actually evil, and the dealings within this organization (loosely used) is highly secretive. Bear in mind, this isn't the first time a religion has under the table dealings (catholic church before Protestant reformation) so I'm really not shocked as to the fact that people end up dead by "suicide" whenever they can no longer supplement the organization with their bank account.

All in all, it's about as harmful as the beliefs of any other massive church or organization, but the stigma is worse because more people want their magical being in the sky to be a nice guy.

-Blade

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I don't even consider scientology as a religion. As said before, it's a money machine. It's a criminal organisation, or at least that's what it has become.

Their techniques are simple: make people dependent of scientology and take their money. For that, they organize a lot of events, social things, to keep the interessed busy within the organisation; they sever the bonds to family and friends and tie new bonds within the group. A mother who was in scientology with her sons and somehow got out, told that she lost all contact to her sons; they don't want to see her anymore. So it's really dramatic. Because they'll also do everything to prevent you to leave, former members report of stalking and blackmailing and stuff like that. Besides, once you have severed all former bonds, it's really hard to start anew.

Once the victims are sucked in deep enough, come the trial. There's a series of trials or such things needed to reach the ultimate stage. The problem is that many of those trials involve consumption of unhealthily huge quantities of medicaments, that you have to pay for yourself. A former scientologist showed in a documentary what he had to take a day, and it's really frightening (and expensive). In general, you have to pay everything yourself in scientology. And this also adds to the difficulty to leave; try start a new life without your money.

Now let's talk about how ridiculous their "beliefs" are. They believe an evil alien king threatens humanity. They even claim that psychologists are undercover aliens and warn from visiting them. Really, as most sects, they really don't make any sense.

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Their techniques are simple: make people dependent of scientology and take their money. For that, they organize a lot of events, social things, to keep the interessed busy within the organisation; they sever the bonds to family and friends and tie new bonds within the group. A mother who was in scientology with her sons and somehow got out, told that she lost all contact to her sons; they don't want to see her anymore. So it's really dramatic. Because they'll also do everything to prevent you to leave, former members report of stalking and blackmailing and stuff like that. Besides, once you have severed all former bonds, it's really hard to start anew.


How is that not a religious cult?

Where's the Harm: Scientology
firedog12
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All in all, it's about as harmful as the beliefs of any other massive church or organization, but the stigma is worse because more people want their magical being in the sky to be a nice guy.


Yeah but the difference is that these Scientology guys are getting money from you. These guys aren't as harmless as you say they are. I think they're very evil.
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It is a frequent thing seen especially in sects that they extirpate money from their followers. They choose easy and naive targets and brainwash them. What I often hear, for example, are old people that are committed to bequeath their fortune to the sect rather than to the family.

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Yeah, it's a very dangerous cult. It's somewhat milder than other cults (so we're led to believe) but it has way more clout. You call it a cult, they sue you. But however mild it may seem, we must always remember that the leaders are fanatical (or greedy- either is troubling) enough to still believe in all that "Galactic Lord Xemu" stuff.

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Scientology is absolutely one of the dumbest religions ever.

only the usa has excepted scientology as a religion.
other countries have officially called it a sect or did not excepted the existence.
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Yeah but the difference is that these Scientology guys are getting money from you. These guys aren't as harmless as you say they are. I think they're very evil.


I didn't say they were harmless. I merely said that their actions aren't anything new. many cults pull even worse stuff (jonestown), and many become religions (christianity). every religion has pulled the same tactics that hahiha has stated, and scientology is no exception. as for the money part, every religious group is out for money, power, and immunity, no matter what the message is. this is because the only way to keep people comming back is by gaining money, power, and immunity.

again, the message is only worded different, but it is still the same message. "become our blind follower, and we will promise you whatever you want." I'm not going to treat scientology any worse just because their message isn't the normal "magical being who exists outside of our understanding."

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only the usa has excepted scientology as a religion.
other countries have officially called it a sect or did not excepted the existence.

Actually, most places call it a religion. Everywhere acknowledges its existence; in Melbourne I saw a Scientology... recruitment center? What do they call those places where they sit there with their "E-Meters", telling perfectly happy, gullible idiots that they are depressed and need to siphon all their money into the cult to become "happy".
You have no idea how powerful that organisation has become.
http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/thumb/5/5e/M1950D.jpg/180px-M1950D.jpg
Fig. 1: the origin of Dianetics.
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Yeah, I think there were initiatives in certain countries to make it officially a sect, but they have a lot of money and lawyers and they defend themselves.

What is funny is that those buildings they have around here, are apparently not really used. They're just empty scientology churches. The only thing they want here is to mark presence and send their acolytes ringing at all doors, not to amass a community in a center.

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