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Posted Mar 30, '13 at 4:20pm

Xzeno

Xzeno

2,082 posts

Ok..seriously?

Huh? This is the only worthwhile question that's been asked here. At least it's the most fundamental.

The reason we see so many rape apologetics in the media is because people don't understand that question. Rape doesn't happen because girls dress ****ty. Rape doesn't happen because men can't control sexual urges. It's not about arousal or titillation. Rape is an evil thing that happens for evil reasons. It's not that people think that rape is okay, just the opposite, but blaming the victim is easier than facing the horrible, gut-churning truth.

Rape apologetics aren't saying women deserve to be raped. They just want to believe that there is some reason for it that creates a just world. They can't accept that karmic forces don't control something as heinous as this.

Anyway, I'm sorry to see two people's lives ruined by rape convictions. No one deserves to suffer. I don't want to see them shot or hanged or anything horrible like that.

As for America, well, welcome to the West. Culture is the most important factor in this, and nations do differ culturally, but we all float or sink together on this.

 

Posted Mar 30, '13 at 4:56pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

Huh? This is the only worthwhile question that's been asked here. At least it's the most fundamental.

The reason we see so many rape apologetics in the media is because people don't understand that question. Rape doesn't happen because girls dress ****ty. Rape doesn't happen because men can't control sexual urges. It's not about arousal or titillation. Rape is an evil thing that happens for evil reasons. It's not that people think that rape is okay, just the opposite, but blaming the victim is easier than facing the horrible, gut-churning truth.

Rape apologetics aren't saying women deserve to be raped. They just want to believe that there is some reason for it that creates a just world. They can't accept that karmic forces don't control something as heinous as this.

Anyway, I'm sorry to see two people's lives ruined by rape convictions. No one deserves to suffer. I don't want to see them shot or hanged or anything horrible like that.

As for America, well, welcome to the West. Culture is the most important factor in this, and nations do differ culturally, but we all float or sink together on this.

I don't sy its victim's fault but if she dresses inappropiatley that is an open invitation to sick ppl(at least in their heads)
So women should dress properly.
The argument that why women should be afraid or hide as they are equal is just some feminist BS.
Take this as your car, if some one steals it blames on them but yo lock you car nevertheless.

 

Posted Mar 30, '13 at 5:21pm

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,061 posts

Anyway, I'm sorry to see two people's lives ruined by rape convictions. No one deserves to suffer. I don't want to see them shot or hanged or anything horrible like that

See this is my fundamental problem with this case. No one should feel sorry for these rapists. Why do you feel sorry for people who did something evil, something they knew full well to be wrong. Actually the better question to ask is HOW can you feel sorry for these people? Shouldn't the support go toward the victim, not those who committed the crime.

I don't sy its victim's fault but if she dresses inappropiatley that is an open invitation to sick ppl(at least in their heads)
So women should dress properly

And this is why I hate people like you. Because, you, however good you intentions, have now just objectified women. No matter how a woman dresses, no matter what she wears, that is NEVER an open invitation for anything. The only time it's an invitation is when the woman consents.

 

Posted Mar 30, '13 at 5:22pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,091 posts

if she dresses inappropiatley that is an open invitation to sick ppl

then we need to fight these sick people and not tell the lady's to dress different. it's their freedom to dress as they like. (well not at your place, but in most places it is)
those sick people are the problem. not the dress.
if the dress was the problem then why doesn't it have the same effect on me or 99% of the other males?

 

Posted Mar 30, '13 at 7:21pm

xAyjAy

xAyjAy

1,683 posts

yeah, it is the fault victims fault. just stay at your home or drink only your own made drinks when you are on a party. the same counts for food, bring your own to a party.

seriously? how could it be the victims fault? i mean, who put the drugs into the drink?

hey, since the victim is guilty when it comes to ****, then we could add this to murder! you killed someone? it was the victims fault. you robbed a bank? it was the fault of the bank. we could combine this with mass murder too...

it does not matter how low the bar of stupidity is, someone can allways walk straight under it.

 

Posted Mar 31, '13 at 1:31am

Xzeno

Xzeno

2,082 posts

See this is my fundamental problem with this case. No one should feel sorry for these rapists. Why do you feel sorry for people who did something evil, something they knew full well to be wrong. Actually the better question to ask is HOW can you feel sorry for these people? Shouldn't the support go toward the victim, not those who committed the crime.

Why: because bad things are happening to them and that's a piteous situation. How? Basic empathy? What do you mean how do I feel sorry for people? What kind of question is that? I am capable of empathizing with other people. That's how I feel sorry for them.

As for the punisher's comments, I think I'll some other address that for a bit before I address the obvious logical and moral failings of both his comments and the inevitably clumsy counterattacks.

 

Posted Mar 31, '13 at 3:44am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,972 posts

i mean, who put the drugs into the drink?

It's not yet known, and may never be known, if it was just the alcohol or if something was added.

 

Posted Mar 31, '13 at 8:43am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

And this is why I hate people like you. Because, you, however good you intentions, have now just objectified women. No matter how a woman dresses, no matter what she wears, that is NEVER an open invitation for anything. The only time it's an invitation is when the woman consents.

Not in the rapists head.

then we need to fight these sick people and not tell the lady's to dress different. it's their freedom to dress as they like. (well not at your place, but in most places it is)
those sick people are the problem. not the dress.
if the dress was the problem then why doesn't it have the same effect on me or 99% of the other males?

Do you know how many sick people there are? How many you have to catch?
Until you have exact answer of above two questions, the only to find the rapists is when he commits it, by then the victim is literally screwed.Prevention is better than cure.

yeah, it is the fault victims fault. just stay at your home or drink only your own made drinks when you are on a party. the same counts for food, bring your own to a party.

seriously? how could it be the victims fault? i mean, who put the drugs into the drink?

hey, since the victim is guilty when it comes to ****, then we could add this to murder! you killed someone? it was the victims fault. you robbed a bank? it was the fault of the bank. we could combine this with mass murder too...

it does not matter how low the bar of stupidity is, someone can allways walk straight under it.

If I know that a certain part of town has a sizeable proportion of Neo Nazis, who will beat me to death on sight, I will avoid it, same as I will avoid passing through a dark alley at night or walk feeble infront of a group of hoodlums, these are al pecautions to prevent some thing bad from happening to me, just like wearing modest clothes and carrying mace etc can be precautions against rape.
Use of common sense and some caution can save one from many perils.
And no its not victim's fault she got ravaged although she should have taken precautions.

 

Posted Mar 31, '13 at 8:56am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

    And this is why I hate people like you. Because, you, however good you intentions, have now just objectified women. No matter how a woman dresses, no matter what she wears, that is NEVER an open invitation for anything. The only time it's an invitation is when the woman consents.

Not in the rapists head.

    then we need to fight these sick people and not tell the lady's to dress different. it's their freedom to dress as they like. (well not at your place, but in most places it is)
    those sick people are the problem. not the dress.
    if the dress was the problem then why doesn't it have the same effect on me or 99% of the other males?

Do you know how many sick people there are? How many you have to catch?
Until you have exact answer of above two questions, the only to find the rapists is when he commits it, by then the victim is literally screwed.Prevention is better than cure.

    yeah, it is the fault victims fault. just stay at your home or drink only your own made drinks when you are on a party. the same counts for food, bring your own to a party.

    seriously? how could it be the victims fault? i mean, who put the drugs into the drink?

    hey, since the victim is guilty when it comes to ****, then we could add this to murder! you killed someone? it was the victims fault. you robbed a bank? it was the fault of the bank. we could combine this with mass murder too...

    it does not matter how low the bar of stupidity is, someone can allways walk straight under it.

If I know that a certain part of town has a sizeable proportion of Neo Nazis, who will beat me to death on sight, I will avoid it, same as I will avoid passing through a dark alley at night or walk feeble infront of a group of hoodlums, these are al pecautions to prevent some thing bad from happening to me, just like wearing modest clothes and carrying mace etc can be precautions against rape.
Use of common sense and some caution can save one from many perils.
And no its not victim's fault she got ravaged although she should have taken precautions.

Also I am talkin in general, not about this specific case

 

Posted Mar 31, '13 at 9:01am

danielo

danielo

1,370 posts

A man can dress as he like. Back in the 18 century, the view of a women ancle was "enough" to be not inappropiatley. So what next? Iranian dress?

 
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