If it cries and then dies, then does that count as murder or at the very least a no no? Remember... we're not talking about an undifferentiated glob of cells here. More or less, we're talking about a full fledged ready to pop poop factory. We argue and argue and defend these innate human rights that we so adamantly believe in... but at what point in the human life cycle should we actually start acknowledging them?
After birth is at the very least a serious no-no. I would consider it murder, but I consider any form of abortion murder. Actually, after looking through the abortion thread it looks like the atheists might actually agree with me on this one. I'd say after birth is when everyone here agrees that the body is conscious.
Honestly, my first reflex was to think that it's made up, or maybe some sick prolife joke. But I may remember hearing about it, after all the article is from 2010, it's been a while.
Anyway, I'm all for the tried legislation we have here; abortion legal and a choice of the woman up to the 12th week, after that only for medical reasons (to avoid severe harm). This snipping can be considered murder alright.
it looks like the atheists might actually agree with me on this one
But all kidding aside, you certainly can't be Jewish, Christian or Islamic to be pro-abortion.
You can be, but it's not popular. For example, some who believe God saves the innocent might be 'freeing souls' from the tragedy of life, and since they're able to do it, God obviously wills it.
You can be, but it's not popular. For example, some who believe God saves the innocent might be 'freeing souls' from the tragedy of life, and since they're able to do it, God obviously wills it.
But that isn't following the belief that life is more precious than anything but God. I'd say that those "some" are misinterpreting the popular messages the holy books of the three religions teach.
By the way, what about Job? He's basically somewhere in the three religions: he's in the Old Testament for Jews and Christians, and he's somewhere in the Koran with a different name.
I think he said 12 bc that's where he draws the line or that's where the line is normally drawn.
Most of them tend to believe the whole thou shalt not kill and life is a gift thing as far as those faiths are concerned. Individuals either just don't care, ignore it, or their personal freedom to make their own decisions, whatever their reasons, is > than any other entity's wishes... Be they human or divine.
I know there are pro life atheists out there. It's not like it's unheard of.
it's still is kinda gross hearing about stuff like smashing in skulls and weird pills and the like. it just seems like it goes over my head when it should be businesslike or a medical concern. anyone else wanna yell "voodoo" and run?
Another horror story regarding an already despicable practice. It's murder, but half the world says it's okay. Why? Because it allows people to do what they want, and not have any consequences. Before I go on, I just want to ask how you guys how you feel about a religious debate/conversation? Cause I find it hard to talk about something like abortion without bringing God into it.
But all kidding aside, you certainly can't be Jewish, Christian or Islamic to be pro-abortion.
It's not pro-abortion, it's pro choice. Please try to differentiate between the two. Also yes there are Christians who are pro-choice. There are Jews who are pro-choice. To my knowledge I've never met any but I wouldn't at all be surprised to find Islamics who are pro-choice.
As for the situation we are dealing with two conscious entities at this point. As such, such a procedure should be saved in instances where one and/or both lives are at risk.
Pro-abortion means it's forced, like a mandated "no-pregnancy" policy, like enforcing 1 less child than China's 1 child policy. Pro-choice means it's the potential mother's option to decide what happens.
pro-abortion: being for abortion. pro-choice: being for the right of an individual to choose to have an abortion or not if the so wish.
To demonstrate this contrast there was a teenager who was forced to have an abortion by her parents. If someone was pro-abortion they would be in favor of this action. Someone who was pro-choice would be against this action, as like denying the ability get an abortion, forcing someone takes away that persons choice as to whether or not they think they should get one.
