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What would be the best way to unpopulate the earth

Posted May 15, '13 at 12:39am

JeffK3

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And no, anyone that thinks the Holocaust was a means to an end, i.e, reducing the population, that is cruel hogwash.

It was a means to an end for Hitler. The final solution was where he started exterminating people. He tried to start moving people first. So he would do whatever it would take to remove these people from his countries. ALso according to the textbook Modern World History Germany, more specifically Hitler, started invading neighboring countries because of a lack of space for his people. This was called lebensraum which translates literally to living space.

Also I realize now that the Holocaust was a bad example but, regardless there would be massive overcrowding after the loss of the coasts that there woud be a streak of murders over places to grow food.

 

Posted May 15, '13 at 1:08am

nichodemus

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Knight

It was a means to an end for Hitler. The final solution was where he started exterminating people. He tried to start moving people first. So he would do whatever it would take to remove these people from his countries. ALso according to the textbook Modern World History Germany, more specifically Hitler, started invading neighboring countries because of a lack of space for his people. This was called lebensraum which translates literally to living space.

Germany was not overpopulated. Plain and simple. The populace was starting to enjoy the benefits of the Nazi's economic policies, with unemployment falling to a record low, and prosperity returning. And yes, the history texts all state this but an important caveat to note is that the Nazi party promulgated such a belief, yet this does not give it the status of truth.

Much of Hitler's own version of Lebensraum was overtly racial propaganda. Lebensraum's original theorists did not envision Lebensraum as a solution of overpopulation, but simply as a program of expansion. Ratzel, Lebensraum's original proponent theorized that in order to remain healthy, species must continually expand the amount of space they occupy, for migration is a natural feature of all species, an expression of their need for living space. In other words, an excuse for continuous expansion when combined with Hitler's Aryan vision.

Dr. Friedrich Burgdoerfer, director of the Reich's Statistical Office, asserted at the Berlin world population conference in solemnly objective tones, that by the year 1960 Slavs would make up over half the European population, while the proportion of Germans would shrink to one-fourth. He illustrated his speech with charts which were later reprinted in numerous Nazi propaganda documents. Was Lebensraum therefore a policy to target overpopulation, or was it a ghoulish policy of racial superiority? Lebensraum was for Hitler the belief in a German manifest destiny, and ranged from a desire to retake what was taken in the Treaty of Versailles to plans of ruling the world, with the cover up myth of overpopulation.

In fact, towards the war years, Hitler's Germany came close to achieving autarky then it ever had. It's unemployment dropped from over 6 million to 1.6 million.

And I know what Lebensraum is. I would venture to say that I'm the most well-read about Hitler in this entire community, having spent much of my youth mired in Nazi-related history books and research.

Also I realize now that the Holocaust was a bad example but, regardless there would be massive overcrowding after the loss of the coasts that there woud be a streak of murders over places to grow food.

The world has enough arable land to feed our current population and even more; we're just not using it right.

 

Posted May 15, '13 at 1:24am

pangtongshu

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The holocaust, yes it was a terrible thing, but it was a means to an end. One, it reduced the population in Germany to reasonable levels. Two, the nazis were trying to make "the perfect race" but that is not what we are talking about. When the population starts fighting itself it will be gruesome so many lives will end up being lost because of that we don't nee to worry about unpopulating the earth. The Earth will fo it for us.

For the love of all that is holy..you better not be justifying the ****ing holocaust.

 

Posted May 15, '13 at 1:29am

nichodemus

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He isn't. But he's trying to frame an argument that the Holocaust helped solved the "overpopulation problem''.

 

Posted May 24, '13 at 5:09pm

Sonatavarius

Sonatavarius

1,344 posts

abstinence is the best means by which to solve the overpopulation problem!

 

Posted May 24, '13 at 5:17pm

Salvidian

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For the love of all that is holy..you better not be justifying the ****ing holocaust.

Had the holocaust been much different it could have benefited both Jews and Nazis. They hated each other, so separating them would've helped everyone. By separating, I mean humanely and equally - and without genocide and violence altogether. But you know why that wouldn't work, I'm sure.

If t'd been like that, it wouldn't even be a holocaust. More like a perfect segregation.

 

Posted May 24, '13 at 9:47pm

Nerdsoft

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1,066 posts

abstinence is the best means by which to solve the overpopulation problem!

Aye aye. Basic Darwinism there- killing off the crazy. No, I would say a worldwide family planning scheme, heavy rationing and two-child bonus for farmers to keep the food supply going. Possibly the same for scientists to keep research up. The Chinese have the right idea.

 

Posted May 24, '13 at 10:18pm

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

Aye aye. Basic Darwinism there- killing off the crazy. No, I would say a worldwide family planning scheme, heavy rationing and two-child bonus for farmers to keep the food supply going. Possibly the same for scientists to keep research up. The Chinese have the right idea.

Would have to allow for at least one male and one female per family so we don't end up with babies being killed for being the wrong gender, as has been a problem in China.

 

Posted May 24, '13 at 10:20pm

nichodemus

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Knight

No, I would say a worldwide family planning scheme, heavy rationing and two-child bonus for farmers to keep the food supply going.

Farmers need more than 2 kids.

The Chinese don't have the right idea. It does help in the short run, but such a drastic policy ultimately only adversely affects the demographic balance. The Chinese now allow minorities, farmers, and people who bribe, to have more than 2 kids. And they're already thinking about loosening the policy. 2 kids doesn't hurt, in fact, it doesn't even replace your current population.

 

Posted May 24, '13 at 10:22pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,592 posts

it doesn't even replace your current population.

That's kind of the point.

 
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