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thecode11
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Any answers hopefully humane and by unpopulate i mean lower human populations.

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Kennethhartanto
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life expectancy depends on where you live.

i agree with lazyone for this matter. life expectancy is highest in japan ( 81?) and lowest in African country, possibly congo (i forgot the exact number). the fact is that the more richer the country is the higher life expectancy will be. my theory is that if you somehow make all country poor that would unpopulate the world real quick
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my theory is that if you somehow make all country poor that would unpopulate the world real quick

So what about India?

Usually poor families tend to have more children, while industrialized ones have less. I rather tend to be in favor of raising all countries to a certain standard, which will of course pose the problem of older people, yet there will generally be less people and they will have higher living standards and higher education.
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Second, believe me, when people are in need for medical help/food/water/shelter, they'll be more than happy to give up their fertility for that.

i suggest you to take a look in some real 3rd world countries...
you have really no idea how it is to live there.
all you know are the desperately organizations begging for your money. the people who actually live there are not desperately begging for anything..

i dont help elders because of there age yes. but you want to 1st make their situation worse and then dont help anyone untill they make their own body disfunction... thats just cruel and plain evil... why dont you just reintroduce slavery while your at it?

First of all I don't see how sterilisation could negatively affect emancipation and sterilisation. I thought anticonception was an accomplishment of emancipation?

you want to force the woman to do something they would not choose for by themself. why dont you just say. all man must cut of their ****...? no instead you want the man to force the woman... sterilisation is 1 of the most radical forms of anticonception. you are really a awful person...
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i suggest you to take a look in some real 3rd world countries...
you have really no idea how it is to live there.
all you know are the desperately organizations begging for your money. the people who actually live there are not desperately begging for anything..

So you're saying a starving mother would not accept sterilisation in exchange for a future for herself and her child?

i dont help elders because of there age yes. but you want to 1st make their situation worse and then dont help anyone untill they make their own body disfunction... thats just cruel and plain evil... why dont you just reintroduce slavery while your at it?

Straw man argument. You are misrepresenting what I said.
What I said: "I think we should raise retirement age so that elders can enjoy their retirement without the young workforce paying for it."
Your interpretation:"omg why don u reintroduce slavery omg ur evil lol u wanna let all elderly people die omg"
No. The "Let all elderly people die" was your plan, not mine. Please learn how to read.
you want to force the woman to do something they would not choose for by themself.

I'm not forcing anyone. I'm giving them the choice. Please learn how to read.
why dont you just say. all man must cut of their ****...? no instead you want the man to force the woman...

Because, my friend, severing someone's genital area prohibits them from enjoying sex.
sterilisation is 1 of the most radical forms of anticonception. you are really a awful person...

Radical? Do you know what you're talking about, my friend? Sterilisation is the most efficient way of preventing a pregnancy. Also, why are you calling me an awful person? I'm talking about offering someone a chance, they can denyit. You're talking about letting all of the elders suffer until they either commit suicide because nobody is helping them or until they die of a natural cause.

If the quality of your arguments isn't going to go up, I will ignore your posts and put you on my mute list (if such a thing exists on AG). I refuse to discuss serious matters with someone who likes to use straw man arguments and add in an ad hominem every now and then as well.
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So you're saying a starving mother would not accept sterilisation in exchange for a future for herself and her child?

make a trip to africa befor you keep this going... ive been there more then once. and people there do not have it as bad as the organizations who try to help them make it look like for you. they show you only the desperate people and already helpless people so that you will give money more easily.
like porn is not reality, those "help or else" video's are not reality either.

Straw man argument. You are misrepresenting what I said.

hmmm, thats what you are doing aswell.... so i'm free to do so.

i refuses to stay into this with such a hatefull mind. have fun.
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Put birth control into women's daily vitamins or something equally as sneaky.

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Create a massive building and call it TrollCon. When all the trolls come, they will fall into a massive hole full of cacti to slowly prickle them to death. Simple:
Less People and Less Trolls.

It's the ultimate trolling.

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Alright, I think it's time I gave everyone the answer so this thread of random nonsense suggestions can be put to rest.

Education, plain and simple. The number one predictor of how many children a woman will have in her lifetime is highly, strongly correlated to her level of education. Combine this with availability and use of birth control, while removing religion (which encourages high baby count so they have more defenseless things to indoctrinate and thus try and rule the world through oppressive morals and sheer screaming volume).

There are three stages to a nation's growth rate. Undeveloped countries have high birth rates, but high death rates as well. Then they begin to develop and get better societal systems, improved healthcare, and general education, meaning less people are now dying but women are still having 4-5 babies on average. Thus the population skyrockets (India/China) until beginning to stabilize.

The only humane way to reduce the population on earth is through education and mutual understanding that we cannot support infinite growth. There are some people on this thread who continually assert that economics fall apart at birth rates less than 2.1, but that completely ignores the issue that we have a finite amount of resources. Only once people realize that we're in deep **** will efforts be made to reduce the population, at which point the ideal method will have already been passed up because we keep digging ourselves deeper. That'll happen in about two hundred years I'd imagine, after our current population is 8x its current amount...

So there. Can we stop with the dumb suggestions now?

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@Kasic i totally agree with your argument and this just a suggestion, but do you think of moving the people from earth? considering the title is " What would be the best way to unpopulate the Earth" , you surely consider moving people, maybe half of them to another planet, perhaps Mars ( I'm not saying right now but in a near future, perhaps 30-50 years there will be a colony on Mars, also this is a choice so no force involved, but maybe with less "fares" to go to there, not billions of dollars like a travel to the moon would take)?

Also, have you considered that even if they introduced the " 1 couple two child" policy ( like in my country Indonesia, there it's called "KB" , in English means " pre- planned family ", it advises people to have only 2 children only), it would still mean that our population would double in 8 years ( estimate, considering that every second 3 child is born everyday, in this part i need proof if I'm right/ corrections if I'm wrong, what i can say is that i got this from a TV program). so in the next 200 years, our population is NOT = 8 times our current population but WAY more than that perhaps 100+ times of our current population ( if, and ONLY IF, our resources are considered infinity and the space are also infinity, if that is considered as finite then perhaps less than that but still larger than 8 times the current population)

to everyone: pls correct me if i'm wrong and sorry if i sound like someone that knows it all. I need your comments so i can see where of the information that im lacking or else entirely wrong. also thanks for Habiha for showing the fact about India, i totally overlook that when i'm posting the last comment

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Nuclear War probably.
This isnt a suggestion thread is it?

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you surely consider moving people, maybe half of them to another planet, perhaps Mars ( I'm not saying right now but in a near future, perhaps 30-50 years there will be a colony on Mars, also this is a choice so no force involved, but maybe with less "fares" to go to there, not billions of dollars like a travel to the moon would take)?


That won't be enough. We aren't even close to mass space colonialism. In the far future perhaps, but right now no.

it would still mean that our population would double in 8 years ( estimate, considering that every second 3 child is born everyday


I don't know where you're getting your statistics, but the current doubling rate is 54 years. That rate is also slowing down, I think. Anyways, ~160 years from now is 8x the current population, at the current rate.

The population would hold steady with a slight decline if everyone only had one child per person. The current numbers would be replaced, and accidental death/murder/sickness would bring it down.

This isnt a suggestion thread is it?


The OP is crappy, but the title implies that this is a suggestion question.

Anyways, there's been three kinds of responses to this thread. Serious ones, joking ones, and stupid/impossible ones. There are also people who are answering the question as if asked for the fastest way, or the most likely way, as you just did. Except it's asking for the best way, and the op mentions that any answers are hopefully humane.
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Nuclear War probably.

you're saying probability? a nuclear war would be unwanted by anyone( on any country i can think of) since if you nuke a country they will nuke you back, until reaching a point of what's called nuclear winter, which would be vastly damaging for both sides.

so it is possible to lower the population by nuking, but that would not be done by anyone with a clear head, unless some country started the act, then no country would had consider to do the deed( considering they don't want to commit self suicide)

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also for Kasic

Except it's asking for the best way, and the op mentions that any answers are hopefully humane.


so you're saying that what i'm suggesting is bad and inhumane huh? for space colonization, true we aren't close to space colonization, but remember that the time period between the first satellite in orbit ( Sputnik) and the first human landing on the moon was very short just 2 decades tops. so i believe it's not very long to mass space colonization, even if today it's not even close to that matter. the government just need more incentive to have the will to develop the technology needed to do just that.

your doubling rates are also wrong because that states only
if the current rate of development continues
. the truth is the doubling rate gets faster when you add more people to the earth. so i can conclude that the link you show me was a wrong ESTIMATE, not the right one. show me another statistic with the adding of people born every day and then i'll trust your argument

also, accidental death/murder/sickness ? seriously? correct me if i'm wrong, but from your choice of words i can infer that you WISHED for them to happen. how is that not inhumane? what if you are the guy who's dying/being murdered/get a very deadly sickness and no one helps you ? is that humane? and would you even consider having only one child? can you accept that if you have one child, after you have that child you will be sterilized or not allowed to have more children? answer all that and i'll believe that you had thought of the ideas application on yourself and respect you.

one more thing, i'm not trying to discredit you or mock you, if i do it accidentally then i am sorry, really.
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you're saying probability?


By probability, I think some sort of chemical or biological weapon is more likely than nukes.

so you're saying that what i'm suggesting is bad and inhumane huh?


I was responding to pickpocket with that comment. Though one of your earlier posts, make everyone dirt poor so they die like 2000 years ago, is certainly inhumane.

so i believe it's not very long to mass space colonization, even if today it's not even close to that matter. the government just need more incentive to have the will to develop the technology needed to do just that.


I doubt we're closer than 200-300 years until mass colonization of others planetary bodies in our solar system. Sure, we'll have a few little outposts here and there before then, but that won't help the population issue.

. the truth is the doubling rate gets faster when you add more people to the earth. so i can conclude that the link you show me was a wrong ESTIMATE, not the right one. show me another statistic with the adding of people born every day and then i'll trust your argument


You don't appear to understand what a doubling rate is. It's how long it takes the current population to double in number, and you're right that it gets faster, but the number itself doesn't shift very much. Look at it this way: if the current population takes 50 years to double, that's over 7 billion people in 50 years. Then if it takes 50 years again for it to double, that's over 14 billion people in as many years. So it's faster, but the rate itself may not have changed much. And by all estimates (due to what I mentioned with developing countries) the doubling rate will continue to go down as nation's become more developed. The doubling rate was something around 35 years back in 1960.

also, accidental death/murder/sickness ? seriously? correct me if i'm wrong, but from your choice of words i can infer that you WISHED for them to happen. how is that not inhumane


It's not that I wish for it to happen, but it does. The logical outcome of everyone producing only another member to replace themselves is that our total numbers will go down due to whatever kills people. People die from various causes, that's life.

what if you are the guy who's dying/being murdered/get a very deadly sickness and no one helps you ?


I never said anything of the sort. Of course you would help them. People still die from wars, car accidents, and sickness though, no matter how much help is given.

and would you even consider having only one child?


I don't plan on having any children at all for various reasons.

can you accept that if you have one child, after you have that child you will be sterilized or not allowed to have more children?


Forced sterilization of the populous would not be humane. It would only be through a mutual understand (as I said earlier) that we cannot infinitely continue to grow (within our current limitations).

I never said I think that what I said is the only humane way is going to happen. The far more likely outcome is that we run into a resource crisis which erupts into violence and ends with a great many people dead, whether through starvation, civil war, or disease. Basic ecology. When there are too many of a given species that their niche can no longer support, a die off occurs.
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Genocide would work, so would contraception. Even though many populations are slowly declining and leveling off, and any population control is inhumane, immoral, and unnecessary.

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