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Why do so many hate Muslims

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 3:22am

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

Sure, take the minority that will sell your newspaper and represent the whole!

At no point did I say that that was the majority. I wouldn't personally know.

Ex Muslims who have grown up Muslim in Muslim countries, however, don't seem to think that those are a small minority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnmNBbOuOsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqvskXCz-kk

You didn't write anything, just posted some ignorant pictures.

Err, kid, pictures can't be ignorant, they can't think.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 3:51am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,853 posts

Knight

Err, kid, pictures can't be ignorant, they can't think.

1) He's not a kid, but a college student. 2) Don't be a sarcastic *** in hope of avoiding the question.

Mosab Hassan Yousef isn't a Muslim anymore. Given that he worked for the IDF, and even reported his father, I'm not inclined to believe in such a biased source.

Pew Poll  finds that 60% of Muslims are very or somewhat concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in the U.S. " almost as high as the figure for the general public (67%). Radical Muslims are a small minority, but not small enough.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 6:21am

danielo

danielo

1,370 posts

We are humans. When we feel threaten, we dont stop and think "does this one is good or bad?". When i walk in a street in jerusalem and i see some arabic teens, i dont ask them "are you radicals?". I know that most of them are good peoples. I have arab friends. But when im in risk, i dont stop to ask. I go away.
And yea, some arabic teens have throwen rocks at me and some friends (one of them is arab himself).

When you in danger, you dont ask. You act.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 1:12pm

gaboloth

gaboloth

1,372 posts

I try to avoid hating people, but if anyone hated them, it'd be more than understandable. The minority of them are fanatics who have no respect for basic human rights, but even without counting them, there's still a majority of moderate people that, even if they are respectful people theirselves, they insist carrying on with considering as God's word an extremely dangerous book full of the cruelty and disrespect that creates the fanatics, even if it's in contradiction with their own values.
And all this was based on the assumption that the majority of Muslims actually respect human rights, democracy and the like, but I wouldn't be so sure of that: probably the majority of them is still favorable to things like forcing the veil on women and forbidding them driving.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 1:29pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,953 posts

Knight

they insist carrying on with considering as God's word an extremely dangerous book full of the cruelty and disrespect that creates the fanatics, even if it's in contradiction with their own values.

I'm confused.. are you talking of christians or muslims now?

And all this was based on the assumption that the majority of Muslims actually respect human rights, democracy and the like, but I wouldn't be so sure of that: probably the majority of them is still favorable to things like forcing the veil on women and forbidding them driving.

This is (imo) more likely to be a social/cultural phenomenon than an exclusively religious one. Muslims living around here are just as good people as others.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 1:40pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,971 posts

are you talking of christians or muslims now?

ikr, I was about to bring up Westboro and the recent Schiable incident.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 2:04pm

gaboloth

gaboloth

1,372 posts

I'm confused.. are you talking of christians or muslims now?

Muslims, I was following the distinction between "good majority" and "bad minority" that people were making. But yeah I could take some time to rephrase all that:
1) There is a minority of Muslims that has no respect for human rights and is dangerous to other people and the world
2) In that minority there aren't just the fanatic suicide bombers, but also all the moderate Muslims that are favorable to forcing the veil and such: they might not do anything personally but they still are a threat to freedom and human rights
3) Lastly, all the respectful Muslims that do nothing of the above are still responsible of considering as sacred and true all the hateful and disrespectful principles of the Quran that they don't apply, and that contributes to the formation of extremist groups.

It applies to Christians as well, but the people from the the first and second group are probably a lot less common in Christianity than in Islam.

This is (imo) more likely to be a social/cultural phenomenon than an exclusively religious one. Muslims living around here are just as good people as others.

I guess that's right, in Europe we got rid almost completely of those kind of religious restrictions without really touching the religion that dictates them. Directly removing Islam, or at least its harmful parts, would be faster and better for everyone, but I guess that's impossible.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 2:19pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,953 posts

Knight

It applies to Christians as well, but the people from the the first and second group are probably a lot less common in Christianity than in Islam.

Actually I would disagree with that. I see why you get this impression, but I'm sure it's at least to a certain part biased by the constant one-sided media coverage.

 

Posted Apr 28, '13 at 6:30pm

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

Don't be a sarcastic *** in hope of avoiding the question.

You’re asking me sincerely to respond to his griping?

Is there a rationale behind your bigotry? You didn't write anything, just posted some ignorant pictures. Care to explain yourself, or have I simply decided to waste my time and effort, trying to make sense where there is an obvious lack?

If your only response to my answer is to accuse me of "bigotry" and state that my pictures somehow lack knowledge of something, it would greatly disappoint me, since it would indicate that you have no rational response to any of the points I raised.

The title of the thread was “Why do so many hate Muslims?” I feel a great deal of pity for you if you cannot understand how going out of your way to offend and threaten someone would make them feel hatred for you.

Mosab Hassan Yousef isn't a Muslim anymore. Given that he worked for the IDF, and even reported his father, I'm not inclined to believe in such a biased source.

The title of the thread was “Why do so many hate Muslims?”In this case, being raised in an environment where likely everyone he knew personally was both a Muslim and a terrorist would bias someone into hating Muslims and conflating Islam with terrorism. Many other ex-Muslims have had similar horrific experiences growing up that would bias them against Islam. The death threats sent to ex-Muslims such as Salman Rushdie or Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the “crime” of leaving Islam would quite likely turn a dislike for Islam into an outright hatred.
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I feel that there is an important distinction here that is being missed. Islam is a religion, a series of dogmas, a series of cultures, a series of political ideologies, and a group of people. It is all too easy to mistake one for another if you are not being careful.

Quite likely a lot of the hatred that Muslims as a people receive is actually hatred of political Islam, which is responsible for a nearly Catholic level of atrocity. The atrocities perpetuated by Muslim governments and NGO’s include
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-Use of minors and children as suicide bombers [4][5][6][7][8][9]
- Believes in mutilating the genitals of young children, a trait which it shares in common with Judaism and Christianity [10]
- Holds as its holiest prophet a pedophile who had sex with a 9-year old (Hadith: Sahih Bukhari, Section: Merits of Al-Ansaar, paragraph 234), and allows pedophilia because of that [11][12][13][14]
-Violently reacts to any criticism [16][17][18][19][20]

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Posted Apr 28, '13 at 6:46pm

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

edit- For all but the last link I posted, you will have to either copy and paste the link manually, or else delete the  that got added to them, or the link will not work. I have no clue how this happened. Probably a formatting problem.

 
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