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Posted May 1, '13 at 10:55pm

ironblade41

ironblade41

523 posts

Harsh vocals really aren't good for your voice. They can be okay in moderation, I guess. I don't think they should be used in every song someone sings at all.

 

Posted May 1, '13 at 11:10pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,238 posts

It's just a matter of semantics. If Pang wants to discuss vocals including screams, but if people contend that they're not harsh vocals, just change the title and get over with the spat.

I think the type of screams I'm thinking of is different than what others think of

More screams from Different Sense by Dir en Grey
Less Blood on the Dance Floor

More screams from Arguing With Thermometers by Enter Shikari
Less Bring me the Horizon

More screams from P.L.U.C.K. and B.Y.O.B. by System of a Down
Less Attack! Attack!

Harsh vocals really aren't good for your voice. They can be okay in moderation, I guess. I don't think they should be used in every song someone sings at all.

When used improperly and carelessly..then they can be bad for your voice. But if done properly and carefully, then it's about as dangerous as normal singing is for your voice

 

Posted May 2, '13 at 3:41am

ironblade41

ironblade41

523 posts

When used improperly and carelessly..then they can be bad for your voice. But if done properly and carefully, then it's about as dangerous as normal singing is for your voice

People who use harsh vocals usually aren't very careful. I'm a singer and I'm not taking chances.

 

Posted May 2, '13 at 7:43am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,238 posts

People who use harsh vocals usually aren't very careful. I'm a singer and I'm not taking chances.

People you know that use them aren't careful. As for myself and Mino, we know what we are doing and what to do to protect our voices (more so Mino, to be honest. Maybe story later).

And as for bands that use them..yes, they are very careful. That's why so many are able to continue to use the type of vocals they do.

 

Posted May 2, '13 at 3:59pm

Minotaur55

Minotaur55

1,237 posts

Knight

People who use harsh vocals usually aren't very careful. I'm a singer and I'm not taking chances.

Harsh Vocals are like everything else in life, know what you are doing or you will have serious consequences. My parents were both singers so I know what I am talking about. They weren't screamers but the gist of music is the same, if you know how to do it properly there is no risk. When you scream, just concentrate on the scream and know which note to hit and how to hit it and you're voice will suffer no damage.

And as for bands that use them..yes, they are very careful. That's why so many are able to continue to use the type of vocals they do.

It's true, they are quiet careful even when they mess up. Singers like Oliver Sykes and Danny Worsnop suffered vocal cord damage and they haven't lost there voices. They just change and adapt if the technique is wrong. It's just when you ignore the signs (such as coughing up blood, very dry throat, pain while speaking) is when you get messed up.

Point is, music is all related. And also, read others' post better.

Note taken.

Mino, idiot, look at the threads name. The shu guy placed screams in the name of the thread. So, screaming is a harsh vocal.

My point was that screaming was around longer then harsh vocals, and the harsh vocal screaming technique is different then it was before. So screaming is both a harsh vocal but gets its origin from somewhere else.

As for myself and Mino, we know what we are doing and what to do to protect our voices (more so Mino, to be honest. Maybe story later).

Ooh, I get to tell stories now!

Well harsh vocals use the upper part of the vocal cords known as the "False Cords" or "False Vocal Cords" which are only used when someone clears there throat of Flem and such. So because of its lack of use, the body doesn't know how to use it as well as other functions the body performs on a daily basis.

How I learned the technique was half innate and from what information I could collect. My technique consists of expanding the vocal cords themselves, tightening the false cords, and expanding the back tonsils. In my case it reduces the air flow slightly and increase the sound of the growl or scream. My technique however has a flaw; due to the expanding of the back tonsils I can't breathe normally, meaning when I engage in a growl / scream I have to more or less "disable" the technique, and to switch back to the technique I have to inhale a lot of air, tighten the false cords, and sing out the words with a 1 - 1.5 second delay. The technique I have provides no pain when I growl / scream yet it could be a serious issue when perform in a concert or something like that.

What annoys me sometimes is when singers don't discuss their techniques, its somewhat of a secret and interviewers don't really talk about it either. This needs to be remedied.

 

Posted May 2, '13 at 5:27pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,238 posts

What annoys me sometimes is when singers don't discuss their techniques, its somewhat of a secret and interviewers don't really talk about it either. This needs to be remedied.

I'll have my technique up later tonight when I get back from work.

Though, for me..I'm not as able with explaining my technique as Mino is..as I am not into all the jargon and what-not XD

 

Posted May 2, '13 at 5:48pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,238 posts

Just did a little crap-quality video of myself doing an "inverse growl". I'll maybe post it later tonight. I'm sure Mino would like to see it a little bit =p haha

Then again..not sure if I will or not.

 

Posted May 2, '13 at 11:41pm

ironblade41

ironblade41

523 posts

My point is, harsh vocals don't even sound good. They just hurt my ears.

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 12:07am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,238 posts

My point is, harsh vocals don't even sound good. They just hurt my ears.

"My point is.."
See, but, what you just now said has nothing to do with what you were saying earlier.

And it doesn't sound good to you..but to many of us it is a very enjoyable sound

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 9:31am

GandalftheGrey666

GandalftheGrey666

1,786 posts

"My point is.."

Finish the sentence, pang.

 
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