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The wonderful 3D printers have given rise to an issue: one can download designs for a gun and print it via a 3D printer. You may have heard of this, if not, you can look up 3D printer guns and you'll find articles.
Naturally, the guns are neither strong nor capable of multiple shots, but that does not matter. You can still kill someone. Now, do you believe that when 3D printers are made available for cheap that we should slacken gun laws? Maybe the answer to the gun problem is if everyone is carrying a gun, even kids, there won't be issues. Or should we ban 3D printers and hope that these weak but still functional firearms never make it to the wrong people?

Personally, I think that the gun laws should be slackened. Once something is publicly available for cheap, it's hard to control it. Naturally, if we slacken the gun laws it stands to reason other weapons will most likely become allowed too, but maybe not.

But what do you think?

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Masterforger
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Dangit, Printed Guns AND Arms Laws. Wee typo there.

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Personally, I think that the gun laws should be slackened.


Since the whole problem is people getting guns who shouldn't have them, how would slackened laws that would make it even easier for those people to get them going to help?

There is a possibility for an actual push to tighten laws on these 3D printed guns given the corporations stand to make less money from having them out on the market.
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Once something is publicly available for cheap, it's hard to control it.


That's not even a reason to consider not to control guns. It's essentially fostering an illegal arms trade if people can freely distribute or sell blueprints online.
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That's not even a reason to consider not to control guns. It's essentially fostering an illegal arms trade if people can freely distribute or sell blueprints online.


There is no way to tighten gun control laws. Once something is uploaded to the cloud, you can't stop it from spreading. Technology is going to become more advanced, and once these gun blueprints are uploaded to a foreign server, the U.S. can do nothing to stop them. In a decade, any criminal will be able to easily get these guns into their homes and all gun control becomes pointless.
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The 3D printed guns are a joke (swearing).

Let's just ignore the idea of progress, shall we?
The first guns of the world were single shot, inaccurate and expensive.
Now look at em.
Same with printers.
In the past, they ate a man's wallet and were not perfect. Now you can buy a decent one for less than 100$.
It's all a matter of time.
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The 3D printed guns are a joke (swearing).

These guns are something that should be worried about. As masterforger has said, printers will become cheaper, gun models will become more effective, and it'll all go downhill from there. This article you've shown in my opinion only really outlines three issues, most of which can/will most likely be fixed with the newer models of the gun. It's only got one shot, it's expensive to get a printer that can print a decent quality one and legal issues with it. Things like accuracy and it's look are not big issues, as it would still put a decent hole in a man at close range, achieving its purpose. It doesn't matter that it doesn't look scary, if it can put a hole in someone then people will be frightened by them. A couple of those guns wouldn't require a big amount of effort to bring onto a plane, and those tiny little bullets don't make it much harder. Someone needs to figure out a solution soon before some idiots try taking over a plane with them.
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There is no way to tighten gun control laws. Once something is uploaded to the cloud, you can't stop it from spreading. Technology is going to become more advanced, and once these gun blueprints are uploaded to a foreign server, the U.S. can do nothing to stop them. In a decade, any criminal will be able to easily get these guns into their homes and all gun control becomes pointless.


Yes, but we can monopolise gun blueprints. Not everyone knows how to make sophisticated guns, which are largely confined to those in the arms industry. Stopping these people from uploading blueprints, and cracking down hard on people who upload half-baked ones can provide enough a control.

Just because something cannot be easily controlled doesn't mean we should not, and cannot try to.
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There is no way to tighten gun control laws. Once something is uploaded to the cloud, you can't stop it from spreading. Technology is going to become more advanced, and once these gun blueprints are uploaded to a foreign server, the U.S. can do nothing to stop them.

1. yes it can be taken of the cloud if it must be taken of by law. if it doesn't happen then eventually the cloud has to go down. or the owner of it keeps paying a ****load.
2. if the owner of the cloud is on usa ground then it has to keep itself in line whit the usa laws. no matter where the data in his cloud is stored.

In a decade, any criminal will be able to easily get these guns into their homes and all gun control becomes pointless.

what isn't really a problem for the usa. their gun control is pointless as we speak. it's more a problem for the civilized world.
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The indiscriminate ownership of potentially lethal weapons is in no way justified by the availability of such.

If something is hard, should we just not do it? It's hard to enforce petty theft penalties, should we let thieves get away with it? Sexual crimes are the most under reported, should we just stop enforcing them altogether? People break laws despite their being in effect, should we just leave it up to the common good everyone shares to get along in life?

Of course not. With 3D printers, yes, anyone can print of anything, as long as they have the blueprints. As with the above, does this mean we should not enforce our laws, because it's hard to keep up with? Does safety mean absolutely nothing? Or do you seriously think that everyone being armed will somehow lead to less violence?

Because we all know exactly how well that works when people get pissed. We all know how careless others are in leaving dangerous things for children to find. We all know how idiotic people can be in general, so why the hell would you think everyone having a weapon where the pull of a finger can end a life would make ANYTHING better?

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As with the above, does this mean we should not enforce our laws, because it's hard to keep up with?

actually, here is one of the few chances for law to be ahead for a change.
normally laws change after someone found or misuses a hole. often in the form of inventions (or changes in other laws) that are new to the world. much like how the best hackers will always be ahead of security systems.
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Seriously? People are worried about these?? With less than $15 and a little know how I can run down to home depot and make a disposable, multishot 20ga shotgun in a matter of minutes.

The reality of firearms is that no matter what laws are in place, a determined individual will find a way to get what they want.

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Seriously? People are worried about these?? With less than $15 and a little know how I can run down to home depot and make a disposable, multishot 20ga shotgun in a matter of minutes.

The reality of firearms is that no matter what laws are in place, a determined individual will find a way to get what they want.


it makes it more easy for them.
they dont have to learn how a gun works anymore. they dont have to go to a store the buy stuff anymore. and they dont have to build the thing by themself anymore.
the bar to actually get a home made gun becomes very low.

ofcourse those who really want to, are able to. but should we because of that, just leave the door open for anyone whit a less determined mind?
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Absolutely! I'm a firm believer that restrictive laws only restrict law abiding citizens. While I don't think your average joe needs to run around with military grade fully automatic weapons, I have nothing against everyone who hasn't lost their gun rights to have pretty much whatever they want within reason.

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yea like i said a few times already. this isn't really a usa problem.
here you dont have gun rights. simple as that.

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