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Posted Jun 6, '13 at 3:30am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

You have bad grammar,


That's probably because English isn't his first language.

but, look everyone! He said it himself. We're their enemy as well.


It seemed he was speaking in just the context of what the video was saying. Also asking if this applied to Jews whether they be orthodox, reformed or just cultural.

Though even if he was agreeing, your statement would either be an appeal to authority or appeal to majority fallacy. I'm guessing the former. If the former we are just going to go along with it just because he is a more established member here. As Blade said, "what we are lookiing for, as we always have, is facts and observable data, not logical fallacies, conspiracies, blatant ignorance of the evidence, and plain insults."
 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 1:03am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

Okay I've watched another 2 minutes of this video and have already found at least three more things wrong with what's being said.

Given the way this video is edited, it makes it very difficult to continue to deconstruct it point for point with it jumping from person to person. Also the sheer number of fallacies, lies, half truths and such that have been crammed into the short amount I have seen will make deconstruction even more daunting. As such what I will be doing instead is watching it all the way through and giving a short summary at the end. I will include it in this post.

---- (About 2 hours later) ----

Okay watched it in full. The video is full of more crap than my toilet after taco night. The video is nothing but a bunch of fallacies, lies and half-truths. KnightDeclan your reasoning is incredibly flawed and lacking any semblance of rational thought or critical thinking if this is a prime example of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Let me know if you want me to cover any points made in any detail, along with which points specifically they are. Oh yeah, given what the video is saying near the end, KnightDeclan you're following the wrong religion.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/hB66658D9_zps67a2cfed.gif

 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 11:37am

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,094 posts

Please ignore any and all fallacies in this post (I know they are there, and this isn't meant to persuade)

In MY opinion, according to what I understand of science, it is impossible for the universe to have existed for an eternity, unless it was just sitting here, no actions being made, but if no actions were being made, then what caused the big bang to suddenly occur.

I don't see what the "god" particle has to do with anything, as it randomly came into existence too, or would have caused the reaction as soon as the universe began.

~~~Darth Caedus

 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 11:51am

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,260 posts

Knight

but if no actions were being made, then what caused the big bang to suddenly occur.

It is hypothesized quantum fluctuations could have started it. I better leave Mage cover that one though.

I don't see what the "god" particle has to do with anything, as it randomly came into existence too, or would have caused the reaction as soon as the universe began.

The "god" particle is a result of an awful promo gag. The original title of the work on the higgs boson was "The god-**** particle", but the editor thought it would sound better to leave the **** away, for no reason.
 

Posted Jun 7, '13 at 3:21pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

Please ignore any and all fallacies in this post (I know they are there, and this isn't meant to persuade)


If you're aware that what you are using is a fallacy then why use it?

it is impossible for the universe to have existed for an eternity, unless it was just sitting here, no actions being made, but if no actions were being made, then what caused the big bang to suddenly occur.


Your statement implies there was a place for it to be sitting. You also seem to be thinking of this state as if time was elapsing. We can think of this state "before" the big bang as 0. This would be undefined, or infinite.

I don't see what the "god" particle has to do with anything, as it randomly came into existence too, or would have caused the reaction as soon as the universe began.


As Michio Kaku explains the Higgs Boson (or something like it) aka "god particle" would have been the "spark" that set off the Big Bang.

Michio Kaku: What Put the Bang in the Big Bang?
 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 12:14am

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,094 posts

If you're aware that what you are using is a fallacy then why use it?
Because I don't know a better way to state what I believe.

Your statement implies there was a place for it to be sitting. You also seem to be thinking of this state as if time was elapsing. We can think of this state "before" the big bang as 0. This would be undefined, or infinite.
But why would it change, why would it go from the state it was and had been at for an infinite amount of time to what it is now 100 billion years ago?

~~~Darth Caedus
 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 3:50pm

StDrake

StDrake

198 posts

There are (at least) two theories about the END of the universe, one of which carries the potential of explaining how the universe would be infinite give the Big Bang - and that's the Big Collapse:
Seeing as the Big Bang states that the universe exploded from a single point in space if at some point it stops expanding and starts shrinking again it will eventually collapse to a single point again..at which point it will probably not be stable enough to stay that way and will result in another Big Bang.
Infinite Big Bang-Big Collapse cycles without a beginning or end as required by any laws of energy preservation...plus my own theory that God created the universe in such a way that we would not have a definite way of confirming or denying his existance.

..Yay

 

Posted Jun 8, '13 at 11:01pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,240 posts

Knight

There are (at least) two theories about the END of the universe, one of which carries the potential of explaining how the universe would be infinite give the Big Bang - and that's the Big Collapse:
Seeing as the Big Bang states that the universe exploded from a single point in space if at some point it stops expanding and starts shrinking again it will eventually collapse to a single point again..at which point it will probably not be stable enough to stay that way and will result in another Big Bang.
Infinite Big Bang-Big Collapse cycles without a beginning or end as required by any laws of energy preservation...plus my own theory that God created the universe in such a way that we would not have a definite way of confirming or denying his existance.


There are many many more theories hypothesizing the end of the Universe, but they are all infinitely more credible than yours, sad to say.
 
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