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[necro]Nazi unit leader found in US

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Posted Jun 18, '13 at 6:41pm

Minotaur55

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Personally, I think his crimes should be acquitted. Here are the reasons I think this must be so.

Well, to start off, I'm black, meaning that my belief that his crimes should be acquitted is a bit strange. But I'm bigger then this. We all are. We know what went down during WWII, we all know that the Nazi's did horrible things to the people. But the thing is, and this is a fact well overlooked, is that the people who suffered from the Nazi's first were not the Jews or blacks, but the German peoples themselves. Many people in Nazi Germany would regret what they did. We can't hold that against them. Especially considering the circumstances.

To start off with, the man is 94 years old. He remembers every single thing that happened, he never forgot. And I'm sure he'll never forgive himself for what he participated in. That is a punishment worse the prison, because know what you did and living you're life trying to forget what you've done is a impossible deed. Till the day he passes on, he'll remember what Hitler and the SS did to the people of Germany and the Jewish people, and to live in America after all that I am sure he won't just ignore the morbid irony of this action.

Second, the ideals of Nazism and racism has existed for years and has never been uplifted ever since. Even America partook in the ideals of racism, believing that white people were superior. This isn't true. No man or woman's capability is measured by skin color, but rather the actions they make and what they do in life to help both themselves and others. And it's a horrible idea to make someone you're slave, or even kill them, just because they weren't born to someones standards. He has to live with this for the rest of his life, which to be honest, and this is logic not me being mean, he only has a few more years left. He should spend it trying to get past all that and maybe, in the next life (or never depending on you're preference) maybe try to make up for it. Do something better to this world.

Now, logical terms. The National Socialist party wasn't optional to the people of Germany. Nazism was forced on them. One of the reasons people liked their new form of Government was because productivity was being re-established. Second reason: if you are living in a country that has no order or any productivity, you don't have options in ideals that you'd agree with. Anything it takes to put food on you're table, living in a house not a hole, and starting to thrive in life and not survive, anyone of you guys would go with it if government in this country fell. That or all of you would fall flat on the floor, starved to death. Third reason: when you're life is in a rut, you'd naturally would want to blame it on something. This is known as an immature reaction to something with some reason behind it. They can't blame themselves, they fought and lost. Who they lost to they would blame; I'm not saying it's right but it is something that people would do.

When National Socialism was established there were two rules to abide by: work with the political party or die. Hitlers poisonous influence corrupted the moral of the people and made them believe that they were holy royalty. This is the influence of political - religious occultic ideals. If you were born and raised under these beliefs, it becomes you're life. You don't leave it, and you will be in it until the day you pass on.

And just an overview of this, whether he truly believed Hitler or was forced into his position, he has to live with this for the rest of his slowly decaying life. Should a man be condemned for this? I don't think so.

 

Posted Jun 18, '13 at 8:06pm

SSTG

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@KnightDeclan


They did not rape, they were Christians, led by priests and holy warriors. And i don't think you all get it. The crusades were acts of taking back what was rightfully theirs. You mess with the bull, u get the horns, unlike other genocides which were to innocent people doing nothing wrong.

You need to read before you make a fool of yourself.
Go to your local library or download free e-books about the Crusades from http://www.archive.org for free and read for your own sake!

A lot of horrible stuff happens, especially on the Fourth Crusade when Europeans (French, German, Spanish, etc, attacked their own (Byzantium) and pillaged, raped, massacred Greeks as well as Jews, they stole icons and relics from churches, gold, (the Lions of St-Marc that are now standing in Venice) and left the city practically in ruin.
After that it was easier for the Turks to come and conquer Byzantium using their big cannons and overwhelmingly bigger army.

In case you don't know this, Byzantium (Constantinople) is now called Istanbul.
 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 1:58am

danielo

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Well, the seljuk did forbiden christians from getting in. This what the thing that pulled the trigger. After a short period of time they saw what a horrible idea it was and canceled this law, but thw cruasade did happened.

Does the sack of Constantinople was an act of war?

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 2:25am

HahiHa

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5,258 posts

Knight

Laudable plead, Minotaur. If there wasn't the thing that he was a commander of a unit that committed serious warcrimes. If only for this, he has to be trialed so justice can try to find out what exactly was his part in this.

Personally, I'm not sure many of those former commmanders really have troubles living with it. As you said, Germans were also victims, and were forced/brainwashed to take part in this. But what mindset does it take to become a commander of an SS unit? I'm not saying he IS like that, but just for the chance of him being, he cannot be simply left alone.

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 3:07am

danielo

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Do you know about the white rose organization? They were a bunch of students who protested against the nazis in 1939. They were thrown to conecntration camps shortly after.

There were some (not so many at all. A very very small amount) who tried to actagainst the death regiem of the Nazies.

If this basterd wanted, he could hide jews in his house. He could help a gay man help to run away from the country. He could do SOMETHING. No one was forced (well, most) to serve in a camp. This guy is not feeling guilty. No obe forced him to murdur. Its just a big lie, that they tell to us, they tell it to there kids and to themselve. There were peoples who acted against the nazis.

And for last, he is from Ukrain. He VULENTEERD to join to SS units. No one said "be an officer or die!".

There are peoples who grew up in a place wher stoning a man who as darker skin color is totaly legit. That atheists are deamons, that jews are monster. So saying "he was born that way" will make him innocente? NO!

It dosent matter when he did ot. The nazi need to pay for his crimes.

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 9:42am

KnightDeclan

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In case you don't know this, Byzantium (Constantinople) is now called Istanbul.

I'm very familiar with the Byzantium Empire

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 9:50am

nichodemus

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13,234 posts

Knight

He should be found guilty; time does not acquit you of your crimes. It does however, give you the nifty option of not being jailed, due to age. Punishment is the only question here; should he be punished or not?

Acquitting him is NOT, if enough evidence is accrued to show his crime. Even if it was forced upon him during Nazi rule, there were sections of the populace that actively resisted the Nazi. We should be able to forgive criminals and move on eventually, but this does not extend to the point whereby we acquit them, in effect giving them the stamp of approval that signifies their Scot-free status under the closed eyes of the law.

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 10:09am

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

Obama ordered a drone strike which killed a 16 year old boy at a bbq. he ordered death, just like this guy did. I think all world leaders have done wrong. It doesn't take away from what he did, but still, he doesn't deserve to be treated like they treated Mussolini, or Rudolph Hess, or Franco.

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 3:32pm

partydevil

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5,119 posts

he doesn't deserve to be treated like they treated Mussolini, or Rudolph Hess, or Franco.

he does deserve to be treated as any other civilian on this planet.
he is not a special case because he is old. there are prisons for old people aswell.
 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 3:57pm

pangtongshu

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9,700 posts

Obama ordered a drone strike which killed a 16 year old boy at a bbq. he ordered death


No. No he didn't.

If I'm thinking of the same incident, which I'm pretty sure you yourself gave me a link to...the boy was merely collateral damage. Nothing new in war times.