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[necro]Nazi unit leader found in US

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Posted Jun 19, '13 at 10:03pm

Minotaur55

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Knight

Laudable plead, Minotaur. If there wasn't the thing that he was a commander of a unit that committed serious warcrimes. If only for this, he has to be trialed so justice can try to find out what exactly was his part in this.

Exactly so.

We should be able to forgive criminals and move on eventually, but this does not extend to the point whereby we acquit them, in effect giving them the stamp of approval that signifies their Scot-free status under the closed eyes of the law.

What you don't realize is that the length of this situation is to a high extreme, 5 - 8 months of community service is not going to cut it when 11 million people were killed. The man is either going to be acquitted or is going to spend his last breaths behind bars. No judge, in any world, is going to over look the numbers. And if he is indeed innocent, which the numbers may be very slim, is a judge going to send him to prison for, lets say, 10 years? Is this anyway to punish a innocent? Not to mention a 94 year old man?

The gravity of the situation is rather heavy. Trial will be interesting to say the least. With the traditional views of the law, the man is going to rot behind bars, innocent or not. This is no normal case to say the least. Most of the remaining Nazi associates are indeed dead, but if they are that age, and forced into a situation like this, traditional views will be a bit harsh, considering that vendetta over comes all logic leading to horrible actions that he will live and die with. 

It does however, give you the nifty option of not being jailed, due to age.

Yes, it does. It's what separates the mercy of human beings from the strict emotionless unvaried-ness of laws.

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 10:28pm

EmperorPalpatine

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glitch

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 10:56pm

daleks

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Sigh. I hate this argument. There is no clear cut way. Everyone has their own opinion. Imao probably most of you would have done the same if you were in the situation that a German person was at the time. Let's start by looking at the history and what happened.

WW1 happened. Regulations are put on Germany. Germany is crushed, can barely have a reasonable army, blah blah. Hitler gains power. People "like" Hitler. He turns the Economy around and gives faith back to the German people. Now that the German's are back on their feet Hitler looks for someone to blame for what happened. The Jews would be a prime choice. They have been hated by Christians for years. So let's all blame the Jews for our problems! Now let's fully rebuild Germany, tanks, war, blah, blah. Hitler has full power! Now the German's either obey him or they and their family will be killed. So what do you do? You follow Hitler! You don't want to see your family die because of you. You would much rather see Joe Smough down the street die. WWII, blah blah.

Hitler dies. O no! What has been happening here? All these Jews have been brutally killed. The Nazi's must pay for this.
From here on out 'P' will be the prosecutor and 'N' will be the Nazi.
P: So you were the one that pulled the lever that gassed the Jews?
N: Yes sir
P: Why did you do it?
N: I was ordered to sir.
P: And did you have a choice in following these orders?
N: No sir.
P: And what would have happened if you had disobeyed these orders?
N: My family and I would have been killed sir. I was just protecting those I loved.

Basically this is what happened in the trials. The Nazi would say that they were just following orders. The question then leads to where to draw the line. Do we kill everyone that had a part? Do you kill only the very high ups? It is a tough question.

Now at this probably thinking, Daleks, you idiot scumbag Jew hater Nazi lover ***, I would never do such a thing. I would have stood up for what was right! I am an angel!
And to you I say, fat chance. Let's look at the facts, Stanford Prision Experiment. Look it up. Milgram experiment. Look it up as well. Having an authority figure, position, and many other factors come into play.

Anyway, typing this is taking forever because I am on my phone. Look into the experiments. Look into obedience to authority. Watch V for Vendetta. Watch A Few Good Men.

It is all opinion. Opinions differ. Now lots of you will yell at my post. Have fun.

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 11:31pm

pangtongshu

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Not everyone, however, was just merely "following orders".

Also..
What constitutes a war crime?
Here you will find that the excuse of "I was just following orders" doesn't hold well

 

Posted Jun 19, '13 at 11:41pm

daleks

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@pang
First link - Evidence was the same as the Stanford Prison Experiment. Power of the situation and just having power.

2nd Link - Nothing about being killed if you didn't follow. Might have had a part.

 

Posted Jun 20, '13 at 1:17am

EmperorPalpatine

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It appears that what counted as a crime against humanity, which is what this would be a case of, was defined into law after the events. Doesn't seem very fair.

 

Posted Jun 20, '13 at 2:01am

pangtongshu

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which is what this would be a case of, was defined into law after the events. Doesn't seem very fair.

So, by ex post facto law, no acquittal for him.

 

Posted Jun 20, '13 at 3:39am

mbbs112

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i say to leave the guy alone and let him live until his end and not to persecute him or anything because if Germany finds out about this they will get angry and probably decrease their relation with USA and chances are that they might wage war and America will get bad reputation from other countries if they torture him for a crime he did 70 years before .

 

Posted Jun 20, '13 at 3:49am

mbbs112

mbbs112

174 posts

Dalek it is better to sacrifice yourself than to kill innocent people and corrupt your soul and anyways if somebody disobeyed the Nazis and went against them instead of killing innocent people people would make them heroes or make statues of them in tribute.
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Posted Jun 20, '13 at 4:45am

pangtongshu

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i say to leave the guy alone and let him live until his end and not to persecute him or anything because if Germany finds out about this they will get angry and probably decrease their relation with USA and chances are that they might wage war and America will get bad reputation from other countries if they torture him for a crime he did 70 years before

No -_-™ none of that would happen.
See, besides the fact that we have prosecuted the Nazi people once before...Germany likes to not look at that point in history. They'd hardly give two Scheißes

Dalek it is better to sacrifice yourself than to kill innocent people and corrupt your soul and anyways if somebody disobeyed the Nazis and went against them instead of killing innocent people people would make them heroes or make statues of them in tribute.

At best, one measly statue..and that is hardly likely.