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[url=http://news.msn.com/us/shock-lingers-after-nazi-unit-leader-found-in-us]

I kept seeing this on MSN, and it kinda bugged me. Anyways, to sum it up, "An Associated Press investigation found that Karkoc served as a top commander in the Ukrainian Self-Defense Legion during WWII. The unit is accused of wartime atrocities, including the burning of villages filled with women and children" -MSN

Read the article, its interesting. I wasn't aware people were still prosecuting ex Nazis. The man is 94 years old, and lives in Minneapolis. I want to know your opinions on this matter. Should he be prosecuted for crimes that was committed over 70 years ago?

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SSTG
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SSTG, you're a freakin...forget it.

Oh sorry, I guess I need to watch Fox News so I can be updated on reality.
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Everyone hates the Nazis for killing Jews, because the Jews control the media and tell everyone to hate them.

Gosh, that so much idiocy is even possible...

Sure enough some single Jewish individuals, mostly politicians I'd wager, have been misusing the victim card whenever they were criticised about anything not even remotely related to historic events. BUT that does not change history, and the magnitude of horror experienced by the Jewish people under the Nazi regime.

I am not saying that those occasional other genocides are less bad, and they are not ignored by people. Yes, the world is full of genocides and wars and death. But I absolutely don't see the link to that evil Israeli Illuminati-like conspiracy horse crap you've just let out.
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and they are not ignored by people.
I was talking to some friends and they all know about the holocaust, but not one knew about the others. I looked in their public school history book, and it was allll about the holocaust, no other genocides

But I absolutely don't see the link to that evil Israeli Illuminati-like conspiracy horse crap you've just let out.
Who sad anything about Illuminati or conspiracy?

Oh sorry, I guess I need to watch Fox News so I can be updated on reality.
No, I hear about this at private school, where they want me to learn about the cruel world, not cruel nazis. The Nazis were just doing their job. Our american soldiers do some pretty sick things, as my brother says. he had to kill children, as ordered by his commanding officer. Don't blame the grunts, blame the leaders. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a crime for that man. Why the hell does America care if the Jews are killed, or freakin Israel is threatened. I say we bring our troops back home and defend our country in stead of attacking. The other countries want nuclear weapons? KILL THEM! THEY DON'T DESERVE THEM...oh wait we have them, why can't they? If you go around picking fights with nuclear weaponized countries, you're asking to be bombed. (Off-Track)

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I was talking to some friends and they all know about the holocaust, but not one knew about the others. I looked in their public school history book, and it was allll about the holocaust, no other genocides


Just because your friends are ignorant doesn't mean everyone else is.

Who sad anything about Illuminati or conspiracy?


"Illuminat-like"
And whenever you said that the Jewish people control the media to make us feel a certain way about the Holocaust...yeah, that's a conspiracy.

The Nazis were just doing their job.


Morals and ethics: can be completely forgetting about if you are just doing a job.

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Also, love how you mentioned these events killing "millions of Christians", yet you don't mention the Genocide the Christians have performed (such as The Crusades).
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Also, love how you mentioned these events killing "millions of Christians", yet you don't mention the Genocide the Christians have performed (such as The Crusades).
Hey *******, the crusades were wars. Charles Martel met his enemy in the mountains and fought military to military.

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Hey *******, the crusades were wars. Charles Martel met his enemy in the mountains and fought military to military.


I'd hardly call raping, slaughtering, and plundering the Seljuk, Jewish, and Muslim people a war.
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Hey *******, the crusades were wars. Charles Martel met his enemy in the mountains and fought military to military.


Learn more about the Crusades before you comment on them.
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I say we bring our troops back home and defend our country in stead of attacking.

the 1st sensible thing you pointed at

The other countries want nuclear weapons? KILL THEM! THEY DON'T DESERVE THEM...


so dont attack, but kill anyone who want nukes?
hypocrite.
we should kill the usa for wanting a monopoly on nukes in this case.

If you go around picking fights with nuclear weaponized countries, you're asking to be bombed.

why do you think usa get so much threads? your picking the fights here.
do that 1 sensible thing and in 20 year or so it will be allot better already.

the crusades were wars.

a war whit the need to slaughter as many disbelievers as you could. no matter if they where muslim, pagan, heretics or whatever different believe they had. sorry but that, not only is it just genocide. it surpasses most of the others genocides ever recorded in numbers and time.
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We (the jews) control the media? Wher do i get my share?

No one care about africa. Sad but true. Africa is building itself up, entering to the modern age. The problme is that they got modern arms befor they "grew up" into it. The simple gunnman became a god. Now its getting fixed slowly .


Why the "jews" case is so brighter? Because its still going on. Many peoples around the world still think jews have horns and tails and love money. Im sute you knightDeclan is among them.

Its quit funny actualy, the history. Jewz were banned from owning lands, so they had to trade for living. They had connection everywher because "all israel are brothers" - they spoke yeddish everywher and had the same religion so it made connecting each other eadier thrn with a christian. The kings loved to give to jews the job of collecting the taxes so the peasents will hate the jews and not the lords. And lived in quaeters as they were not accepted anywher else.

So what did you exept?! That we will make food from the air? That we wont prefer to srick together instead of being surrounded by hostile neighbores?

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The kings loved to give to jews the job of collecting the taxes so the peasents will hate the jews and not the lords.

jews were seen as people that could be trusted. jews were just as far away from the normal civilian as the king or lord was. giving the jews even more connections.

the stories that jews have more money and own tv stationts etc. is not all only false. in my country 39% of what is shown on tv is done so by jewish producers. by far not all of it but a good shunk of what is on tv is. and i'm not saying they use this doctrine us whit their problems. they have a small jewish channel for that airing 2 hours per week only.

what i'm trying to say here. is that there sure is a grain of truth in these conspiracies. but it are conspiracies non the less.
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so dont attack, but kill anyone who want nukes?
hypocrite.
we should kill the usa for wanting a monopoly on nukes in this case.

NO, when i said this, I was quoting our government. Just because other countries have nukes, they say "KILL THEM, THEY DON'T..." I'm pointing out how wrong it is.

We (the jews) control the media? Wher do i get my share?
I mean that the media is run by jews, not all jews run the media, but most who run it are jews.

I'd hardly call raping, slaughtering, and plundering the Seljuk, Jewish, and Muslim people a war.
They did not rape, they were Christians, led by priests and holy warriors. And i don't think you all get it. The crusades were acts of taking back what was rightfully theirs. You mess with the bull, u get the horns, unlike other genocides which were to innocent people doing nothing wrong.

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They did not rape, they were Christians, led by priests and holy warriors.


The Crusades were nowhere near as glorious as you think.
Bloodbaths of the Crusades
Christianity and violence

And i don't think you all get it. The crusades were acts of taking back what was rightfully theirs.


Taking back what was rightfully theirs from a group of people holding on to a place that was rightfully theirs as well.

You mess with the bull, u get the horns, unlike other genocides which were to innocent people doing nothing wrong.


See..if the Crusades were solely against the armies of the Seljuk Turks, Muslims, Jews, etc. then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But it wasn't.
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They did not rape, they were Christians, led by priests and holy warriors. And i don't think you all get it. The crusades were acts of taking back what was rightfully theirs. You mess with the bull, u get the horns, unlike other genocides which were to innocent people doing nothing wrong.


I'm imploring you to read up more on the horrors of the Crusades , because all you are doing is making you look horribly ignorant about this history of this world. How did the Muslims mess with the Christians in any way? What were the Christians taking back? Please explain this. If I remember correctly your bible told the crusaders to rape and pillage towns:

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



See..if the Crusades were solely against the armies of the Seljuk Turks, Muslims, Jews, etc. then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But it wasn't.


It seems like it was against everybody in the Middle East at the time, not just Muslims.
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They did not rape, they were Christians, led by priests and holy warriors.

hahaha. you wanna know how bad the knights were?
the only reason the knights joined the curch was because the curch could pay them more then any king or lord at the time. and as you were fighting for the holy god everything you did wrong didn't matter because you did it for the greater good. including muder, betrayal and RAPE. oh yea, allot of rape.

And i don't think you all get it. The crusades were acts of taking back what was rightfully theirs.

new york was once ours. (dutch) now we want to take new york back because it once was rightfully ours. (thats not really a good reason is it? it's the same reason as israel is using. and what a mess that is.)

You mess with the bull, u get the horns, unlike other genocides which were to innocent people doing nothing wrong.

these people were innocent people doing nothing wrong. they only thing they did wrong in the eye's of the crusades, was to not believe the same baseless believe as the crusades held themselves.

by your reasoning, 9/11 is totally justified.

because all you are doing is making you look horribly ignorant about this history of this world.

the history of his own believes even. -.-'
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Personally, I think his crimes should be acquitted. Here are the reasons I think this must be so.

Well, to start off, I'm black, meaning that my belief that his crimes should be acquitted is a bit strange. But I'm bigger then this. We all are. We know what went down during WWII, we all know that the Nazi's did horrible things to the people. But the thing is, and this is a fact well overlooked, is that the people who suffered from the Nazi's first were not the Jews or blacks, but the German peoples themselves. Many people in Nazi Germany would regret what they did. We can't hold that against them. Especially considering the circumstances.

To start off with, the man is 94 years old. He remembers every single thing that happened, he never forgot. And I'm sure he'll never forgive himself for what he participated in. That is a punishment worse the prison, because know what you did and living you're life trying to forget what you've done is a impossible deed. Till the day he passes on, he'll remember what Hitler and the SS did to the people of Germany and the Jewish people, and to live in America after all that I am sure he won't just ignore the morbid irony of this action.

Second, the ideals of Nazism and racism has existed for years and has never been uplifted ever since. Even America partook in the ideals of racism, believing that white people were superior. This isn't true. No man or woman's capability is measured by skin color, but rather the actions they make and what they do in life to help both themselves and others. And it's a horrible idea to make someone you're slave, or even kill them, just because they weren't born to someones standards. He has to live with this for the rest of his life, which to be honest, and this is logic not me being mean, he only has a few more years left. He should spend it trying to get past all that and maybe, in the next life (or never depending on you're preference) maybe try to make up for it. Do something better to this world.

Now, logical terms. The National Socialist party wasn't optional to the people of Germany. Nazism was forced on them. One of the reasons people liked their new form of Government was because productivity was being re-established. Second reason: if you are living in a country that has no order or any productivity, you don't have options in ideals that you'd agree with. Anything it takes to put food on you're table, living in a house not a hole, and starting to thrive in life and not survive, anyone of you guys would go with it if government in this country fell. That or all of you would fall flat on the floor, starved to death. Third reason: when you're life is in a rut, you'd naturally would want to blame it on something. This is known as an immature reaction to something with some reason behind it. They can't blame themselves, they fought and lost. Who they lost to they would blame; I'm not saying it's right but it is something that people would do.

When National Socialism was established there were two rules to abide by: work with the political party or die. Hitlers poisonous influence corrupted the moral of the people and made them believe that they were holy royalty. This is the influence of political - religious occultic ideals. If you were born and raised under these beliefs, it becomes you're life. You don't leave it, and you will be in it until the day you pass on.

And just an overview of this, whether he truly believed Hitler or was forced into his position, he has to live with this for the rest of his slowly decaying life. Should a man be condemned for this? I don't think so.

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