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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
http://okanaganchemtrails.blog.ca/2009/04/20/symptoms-resulting-from-chemtrai-spraying-5978978/
http://rense.com/general20/alum.htm
http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/aluminium.html
Chm-trails contain many harmful substances that we can't be breathing in. It's dangerous to our kids, food, animals, environment, and ourselves.
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How do you feel about the DHMO crisis?
Such a load of bull. Some kids went around at my middle and high school with a petition for everyone to sign it, so that it would be banned.
Don't try..already pointed out Kurt Wise to him before and he said something about Kurt Wise being wiser because of it...or some religious fanatic b.s.
I'm not sure much of anything with him is worth it. Most of his beliefs are so outlandish tot he point that debunking it wouldn't even be useful to a third party.
Kurt Wise's science career was destroyed by religion
I was watching and for the first minute thinking, "What's so bad about this Kurt Wise guy? He's making good points and saying things in a clear way." A half minute later I find out he's not Kurt Wise >.>
FIRST of all, just because I'm the only libertarian on here
What is a libertarian?
What is a libertarian?
Ron Paul tends to be a classic example.
"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free" is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association. It is the antonym to authoritarianism. Libertarians advocate a society with a greatly reduced state or no state at all."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
What is a libertarian?
Er..Sectoid..Mage..I think Nemo was asking that with the intention of it only be aimed towards KnightDeclan..to see if he even knows what his alleged stance is
Er..Sectoid..Mage..I think Nemo was asking that with the intention of it only be aimed towards KnightDeclan..to see if he even knows what his alleged stance is
Doesn't matter, if he has a differing definition he will just say we're wrong and ignore the provided information anyway.
What is a libertarian?
*Ahem* Roughly speaking, the term once stood for the venerable tradition of anarchism, see (the always to be taken with a huge pitcher of salt) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism .
In recent times however, the term has somehow been co-opted by a strain of shall we say laissez-faire free-marketism with a liberal touch. Wikipedia, as noted above, calls "Libertarianism [...] a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end," however I would vehemently disagree, inasmuch as the two ideals obviously couldn't be further removed from one another, some superficial similarities perhaps notwithstanding (and certainly these modern-day "libertarians" have cherry-picked from libertarian socialism what they could, happily disregarding what of its stances and implications and consequences they don't need).
Perhaps this latter and modern strain is more aptly described as anarcho-capitalism, as indeed it is sometimes referred to (though I guess adherents wouldn't so readily agree to having their thin cover blown, of "libertarianism" not capitalism indeed): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism .
ps Perhaps this also makes for a useful introductory page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_anarcho-capitalism .
As always, do keep in mind that just because it's on Wikipedia doesn't make it so, being made for and by its users as it is; especially on the more esoteric of subjects, this soon outs, as there'll be fewer to adequately correct one another.
For a decent read-up on socialist thinking and including anarchism and other schools of thought, I'd rather refer to e.g. http://www.marxists.org/ , there must be plenty other such portals.
In recent times however, the term has somehow been co-opted by a strain of shall we say laissez-faire free-marketism with a liberal touch. Wikipedia, as noted above, calls "Libertarianism [...] a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end," however I would vehemently disagree, inasmuch as the two ideals obviously couldn't be further removed from one another, some superficial similarities perhaps notwithstanding (and certainly these modern-day "libertarians" have cherry-picked from libertarian socialism what they could, happily disregarding what of its stances and implications and consequences they don't need).
Libertarians, or free-market libertarians, are completely different from socialist libertarians. That, I'll agree. However, libertarian (capitalist) principles stem from classical liberalism, not socialist libertarianism.
Libertarian philosophy and liberty go hand in hand.
To understand libertarianism, based off Austrian Economics, I refer you to Mises.org.
Anyway, I was curious as to how Knight would respond, but I ended up asking him on his profile. I didn't mean to derail this thread. We should get back on topic. (If you want to continue discussion libertarianism, feel free to leave a message on my profile or create a new thread if you so please).
However, libertarian (capitalist) principles stem from classical liberalism, not socialist libertarianism.
Perhaps; though I'd still maintain they try to make a show of what would classically have been labeled libertarian socialism, and (perhaps incredibly to many today) the positive ring that may have to many, or indeed once had.
I have a feeling it may have a lot to do with the difference in understanding between what is commonly called "liberalism" here in Europe, and in the USA. (I.e., roughly speaking of a conservative nature, or of a progressive one, respectively.)
To translate from the Dutch Wikipedia page on it https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarisme : "The term libertarianism originally (1857) referred to Joseph Déjacque's libertarian communism, a school of thought now considered a part of libertarian socialism. In the latter half of the twentieth century, libertarianism has been mostly popularized (cf., Murray Rothbard) as a designation of free-market (laissez-faire) ideology."
I think that may sort-of touch on the core of the matter.
Anyhows,
I didn't mean to derail this thread. We should get back on topic. (If you want to continue discussion libertarianism, feel free to leave a message on my profile or create a new thread if you so please).
Yes, by all means, and no, I'll gladly pass up on the invitation I'd in fact told myself to steer well clear of the politico world-events & views section here, the thread just popped up as a recent one, and I went over the chemtrails bit at hand some for my own amusement
To conclude then with (yes) Hakim Bey if you'll allow me:
'Special thanx & a tip of the fez to [among quite a bunch] the Libertarian Book Club (who would like to note that the word âlibertarianâ here does not refer to âLibertarianISMâ or the Libertarian Party; the L.B.C. was founded in 1949 when âlibertarianâ meant ANARCHIST, & we refuse to give up the word).'
Cheers all, & happy discussing
Chem Trails the government doesn't think for us ours sakes all they care about is lining their own pockets with money it's despicable added up with the GMO's unnatural DNA being put into our food added up with all the parasites & spraying pesticides on our food it's no wonder nowadays people choose to buy more organic produce tch
Chem Trails the government doesn't think for us ours sakes all they care about is lining their own pockets with money it's despicable added up with the GMO's unnatural DNA being put into our food added up with all the parasites & spraying pesticides on our food it's no wonder nowadays people choose to buy more organic produce tch
What would the government gain from spraying poison in the air? How does that give them more money?
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