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Posted Jul 6, '13 at 1:51am

EmperorPalpatine

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This is the part where I'd go into detail and point out that written communication from word-of-mouth is a terrible channel for a 'perfect' being to use, but I'm tired.

 

Posted Jul 6, '13 at 2:27am

Freakenstein

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This is the part where I'd go into detail and point out that written communication from word-of-mouth is a terrible channel for a 'perfect' being to use, but I'm tired.

Good thing no proper courthouse uses this as admissible testimony!*

 

Posted Jul 6, '13 at 12:53pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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Well, there's not much point in giving a long-winded semi-rant about it if the other side wears earplugs.

 

Posted Jul 6, '13 at 1:53pm

Wyrzen

Wyrzen

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Well, there's not much point in giving a long-winded semi-rant about it if the other side wears earplugs.

Yeah, that sums up this situation pretty nicely.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 3:41pm

Jacen96

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I'm just not seeing him given any leadership, other than saying he is blessed for knowing who He is, and that this is the rock of His church.

in Matthew 16:19, Jesus says that he will give the keys to the kingdom to Peter, and whatever he binds/looses on earth will be bound/loosed in heaven.

In the book of Acts, i believe, there is an argument about whether the gentile converts need to follow abrahamic laws (such as circumcision). After calling a counsel to discuss it, there is argument for each side until PETER stands up and decrees that circumcision is not necessary (all of this is if i remember correctly)

Peter was really a rock or a pebble or a boulder?

To some Protestants it makes all the difference on the subject of Peter being the leader of the church. Using different words to describe Peter and the church indicates that it is unrelated, while by using the same word shows how important Peter is.

~~~Darth Caedus

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 5:35pm

OperationNilo

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Adoration and reverence has nothing to do with truth value.

I don't know what you want to prove with that. Ah, well then. Back to business.

I appreciate the attitude; many Christians on here are arrogantly sure their blind faith proves all.

I'm just not seeing him given any leadership, other than saying he is blessed for knowing who He is, and that this is the rock of His church.

(Thanks mate)
Well, the point of scripture is trying to find out what each part means and how it can be applied to real life (that's what I try to do ;:P). I've also felt God (as odd as it may seem to be to you, but there aren't any words to describe it, if you know what I mean. Not directly, of course, just a feeling). I don't know how to explain it, I just feel it in my gut that he's out there doing something. That's proof enough for me. If I couldn't trust myself, then who could I trust?

Answering your second point, the Pope is Christ's representative on Earth (Caution-keep the word 'representative' in mind). So that kinda makes him a 'leader' as well. That said, a rigorous process is made to elect him, so not any regular Joe can walk into the Vatican and become the Pope.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 5:59pm

MageGrayWolf

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Well, the point of scripture is trying to find out what each part means and how it can be applied to real life

Sounds like a good way to make something vague and have it say pretty much whatever we wish it to.

I've also felt God (as odd as it may seem to be to you, but there aren't any words to describe it, if you know what I mean. Not directly, of course, just a feeling). I don't know how to explain it, I just feel it in my gut that he's out there doing something. That's proof enough for me.

Would you consider a child's gut feeling that there is a monster under his bed as proof that there was? It's really no different. Further more there are plenty of people who can describe similar feeling about not just the existence of whatever deity they may believe in but of all sorts of things. Not to mention how we have been able to artificially generate such feelings.

If I couldn't trust myself, then who could I trust?

Your  emotional state on something can be misleading and even your memory of something can be false. So internally, no you can't trust yourself. This is why it's so important that we cross examine with an objective source.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:19pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

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Sounds like a good way to make something vague and have it say pretty much whatever we wish it to.

Understanding scripture is not a matter of convenience. Your opinion on Christianism is somewhat distorted, but many christians don't exactly follow God's will very well, so I don't blame you.

Would you consider a child's gut feeling that there is a monster under his bed as proof that there was?

But would the child believe in the monster? That is the important matter. Sure, you could tell the child that there is no monster and that he was just imagining or something, but the child would never forget that feeling, nor trust the flooring under his bed.

Further more there are plenty of people who can describe similar feeling about not just the existence of whatever deity they may believe in but of all sorts of things.

I understand that very clearly. But these kinds of feelings are something you must experience to know their true value, not something you read from a science book. I can't even explain what I felt.

Not to mention how we have been able to artificially generate such feelings.

I don't remember being plugged into a machine when I felt that.

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Your  emotional state on something can be misleading and even your memory of something can be false. So internally, no you can't trust yourself. This is why it's so important that we cross examine with an objective source.

There's a quote I like very much. I think, therefore, I am.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:37pm

Kasic

Kasic

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but many christians don't exactly follow God's will very well,

This is what every religious person thinks, about every other person in their religion and any other religion. It's all personal interpretation with absolutely not backing of any sort. Anyone can say anything and be just as right as anyone else.

but the child would never forget that feeling, nor trust the flooring under his bed.

Yet the monster is still not real.

There's a quote I like very much. I think, therefore, I am.

Note that it doesn't mean, "Everything I think is true is true."

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:42pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

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This is what every religious person thinks, about every other person in their religion and any other religion. It's all personal interpretation with absolutely not backing of any sort. Anyone can say anything and be just as right as anyone else.

Are you new to planet Earth? Are you in need of an introduction?

Yet the monster is still not real.

Yet that was a metaphor.

Note that it doesn't mean, "Everything I think is true is true."

When did I say it meant that?

 
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