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Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:43pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

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And with metaphor I mean hypothetical example.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:45pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

2,044 posts

Argh, I think that's not right as well. What I'm trying to explain is that it doesn't matter if the monster is or is not real, what matters is that the child believes in it. The parent or friend could not provide proof to the child that the monster didn't exist.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:48pm

Wyrzen

Wyrzen

325 posts

@OperationNilo.

You're doing a fair job, especially compared to the likes of KnightDeclan.

I find it a fruitless argument; they won't dissuade your faith, nor will you convince them.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:54pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

2,044 posts

The truth is that you're right. I'm just going to find a better thing to do in the Forum Games ;:P

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:55pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

2,044 posts

I bet some of these are planning to go on a rant of how I quit this fruitless debate.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:56pm

Wyrzen

Wyrzen

325 posts

Well I just find it a fruitless pursuit. I love the forums, its just the atheist-theological debate literally has no conclusion unless we have angles descend into our rooms or we die and find an empty black void of nothingness.

Either way, I prefer to find threads that actually have meaning :P

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 6:59pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

2,044 posts

Like abortion and gay marriage related threads? haha!

I'll see you later mate, it's about 1 AM right now so I'm not in the mood for debatin'. I'll be in the Forum Games if you need me ;:P

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 7:59pm

Jacen96

Jacen96

2,226 posts

Well I just find it a fruitless pursuit. I love the forums, its just the atheist-theological debate literally has no conclusion unless we have angles descend into our rooms or we die and find an empty black void of nothingness.

1: it is angels, not angles.

2: you have a point, neither side is willing the accept the other, for to one, the other side's beliefs make no sense, and they would never accept them.

Like abortion and gay marriage related threads

And evolution.

~~~Darth Caedus

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 8:47pm

Wyrzen

Wyrzen

325 posts

1: it is angels, not angles.

Not really necessary, but alright.

2: you have a point, neither side is willing the accept the other, for to one, the other side's beliefs make no sense, and they would never accept them.

Exactly what I'm saying, totally understand.

 

Posted Jul 7, '13 at 10:01pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,677 posts

Knight

There's a quote I like very much. I think, therefore, I am.

All this states is that an "I' exists. It says nothing of the quality of information that "I" receives and transmits.

But would the child believe in the monster? That is the important matter.

But does that mean the monster actually exists? That is the important aspect when we are speaking of proof. Just because he feels that it is there doesn't mean that it is there. Of course it doesn't mean that it's not either. So as a result proof of the monster's existence hasn't been established.

I understand that very clearly. But these kinds of feelings are something you must experience to know their true value, not something you read from a science book. I can't even explain what I felt.

If you are unsure of what you felt and you know that such a feeling can be attributed to a wide range of other things, what makes you so sure it was the specific God you believe in or any god for that matter?

I don't remember being plugged into a machine when I felt that.

That point went over your head didn't it? The point that I was making was that those feelings can be fully attributed to purely physical reactions in the brain.

The parent or friend could not provide proof to the child that the monster didn't exist.

Which would be a false stance for accepting that it does exist.

I find it a fruitless argument; they won't dissuade your faith, nor will you convince them.

All you have to do is provide evidence of such a beings existence. I and many atheist will flat out reject faith as it is a baseless position. Further more the points I was making were not to show that this God did not exist but to show that the backing for belief in this God is faulty.

Further more let's ask Bladrunner, samy, BigP08, or Nurvana ... if you ever get the chance as to how futile it is to try and provide counter arguments to a belief faith based system. Granted the arguments her specifically might not have had anything to do with it, but each one held a faith in God but now does not. In fact even I myself once held a belief in God.

the other side's beliefs make no sense,

Asking for evidence before believing something is true makes no sense to you guys? 

P.S. For the record I do know the feeling you're talking about OperationNilo.

 
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