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Posted Jul 10, '13 at 3:17am

infinight888

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In a change of topic, away from Christianity and Illuminati conspiracy theories, I was wondering what your opinions are on reincarnaton.

Earlier, while searching for somehing else entirely, I came acrossed this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF3KqGpxXvo

I've been trying to figure out how to debunk it, but it seems pretty legit for the most part. If you do believe in reincarnation, how would you explain it scientifically? If you don't, how would you debunk the above video?

I'm going to do a bit more resarch into the topic.

 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 3:36am

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

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away from Christianity and Illuminati conspiracy theories


aww, are we no longer fun?

your opinions are on reincarnaton.


honestly, I have no idea. the video itself would challenge the beliefs of any weaker man, but I have a feeling that this can be explained. I, however, will not be the one to try.

-Blade
 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 3:36am

EmperorPalpatine

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What's odd is they think their story will show people how precious life is, but reincarnation has often been used to justify killing. A few years ago, I read an ancient Indian (the subcontinent) war story about a prince reluctant to go into battle, fearing his soldiers would suffer and their families would grieve or something. An advisor basically told him that the body count on either side doesn't matter because everyone comes back in some form anyway.

 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 3:38am

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

2,534 posts

away from Christianity and Illuminati conspiracy theories


aww, are we no longer fun?

your opinions are on reincarnaton.


honestly, I have no idea. the video itself would challenge the beliefs of any weaker man, but I have a feeling that this can be explained. I, however, will not be the one to try.

-Blade
 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 3:55am

Xzeno

Xzeno

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A few years ago, I read an ancient Indian (the subcontinent) war story about a prince reluctant to go into battle, fearing his soldiers would suffer and their families would grieve or something. An advisor basically told him that the body count on either side doesn't matter because everyone comes back in some form anyway.
I feel like I know the story you're refering to. If I have the right one, first off, calling it "a story" about "a prince" is a bit like saying the bible is "a book" about "a dude". Wait, it's exactly like saying that!

Anyway, I refuse to watch the video on the grounds that it is a video, and I doubt I'm the only one. Could you please summarize it?
 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 4:37am

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,514 posts

Knight

Independent of the video (like Xzeno, I would appreciate a summary, but mainly cuz I'm lazy 0.o), you would need to evidence the existence of a soul, in whatever form; an entity that is you, uninfluenced by the physical world.

Of course this is only the beginning; evidencing the existence of a soul further means you need to evidence it can, in fact, survive after death, then that it can, in fact, reincarnate into a physical form. And I'm sure there are other problems, but those seem the most basic.

But again, as long as we have no evidence for souls, everything's just nice stories.

 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 5:24am

partydevil

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calling it "a story" about "a prince" is a bit like saying the bible is "a book" about "a dude".

seems right to me to describe it that way... of course there is more to it. but for a fast and short description "the bible is a book about a dude" will do.

as long as we have no evidence for souls, everything's just nice stories.

+1
 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 7:39am

Moegreche

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I would appreciate a summary, but mainly cuz I'm lazy 0.o


The basic idea is that this kid seemed to know a tremendous amount of information regarding the life and death of a WWII pilot who was shot down and killed. Some of the more incredible claims were his ability to identify veterans who fought with the fighter pilot, his family, and also the circumstances surrounding his death.

If you don't, how would you debunk the above video?


The way that the video is presented makes it very difficult to debunk. My initial thought is that this family is just lying to get attention. This has happened before with hauntings or possessions (either by a demon or some sort of spirit) so maybe it's just another instance of that.
It might also be that the family, in doing research about some vague things the child said, cemented a child's imagination into a story that they actually believe. We often attribute some sort of knowledge to a person when they say something vague and we make the connection for them. This happens with psychics, for example.

As a theory of the afterlife, however, reincarnation has some serious problems. As already mentioned, we would have to adopt a notion of a soul, but let's grant that there is one. Now the problems is one of simple arithmetic. First off, where did the original souls come from? Second, the number of people on Earth is increasing every day, so where are these new souls coming from? There are also times in history when human population has dropped dramatically due to war, disease, or environmental factors. What happens to the extra souls during these times?

But, of course, this only addresses what we might call 'full-on reincarnation' in which all human souls are reincarnated. But this might not be the case, and perhaps this kid is just one of a handful of souls that have been reincarnated. This approach is far more difficult to disprove, but also incredibly difficult to motivate.
 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 3:00pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,514 posts

Knight

First off, where did the original souls come from? Second, the number of people on Earth is increasing every day, so where are these new souls coming from? There are also times in history when human population has dropped dramatically due to war, disease, or environmental factors. What happens to the extra souls during these times?

I've been thinking about this one, there are cultures in which reincarnation is not necessarily from human to human, but includes animals (like insects, whose numbers are hard to determine (and what if we include plants too?)). It could explain parts of the arithmetic issue, although mass extinction for example still would need more explanations.
 

Posted Jul 10, '13 at 5:27pm

Kasic

Kasic

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It could explain parts of the arithmetic issue, although mass extinction for example still would need more explanations.


Not even parts. Where did the souls of said insects come from?
 
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