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So, Reincarnation Anyone?

Posted Jul 12, '13 at 5:56am

StDrake

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Interesting thing about human reincarnation came out when I was talking to some nun once - apparently God promissed humans "first life, then judgement", which would according to the Catholic Church mean no reincarnation - a souls path is one-directional from ??? through life to afterlife..that said..no reincarnation for purely human souls that is. If anything else has a soul it's viable, probably even if it has human episodes.

 

Posted Jul 16, '13 at 11:10am

KnightDeclan

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Catholics believe that there will be a reincarnation at the end of time, on the last day, which will reunite our bodies and souls to receive full reward or punishment for our lives we led. Now of course, it sounds ridiculous saying it, but there is much more to it. Most people shun Catholicism for their beliefs because they only put it to logic or what is know in the world today. We must always try to think outside the box and look at things differently. i try to approach absolutely everything with a different approach than your average Joe. Usually, I find reason to believe in it, and change my ways. This is why no adults, or anyone with strong beliefs, like me. If I was not raised with strong faith, and led by my morals, I probably wouldn't believe in the reincarnation. I put down other religions belief of reincarnation, so why should I expect cooperation in return. But we must remember that the soul, the thing which separates us from the beasts of the fields, can't die. So I like to look at it as more of a reunion of soul and body rather than a reincarnation.

 

Posted Jul 16, '13 at 11:23am

HahiHa

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Knight

Catholics believe that there will be a reincarnation at the end of time, on the last day, which will reunite our bodies and souls to receive full reward or punishment for our lives we led.

From a religious point of view, I don't see the sense behind being reunited with your body. I am aware of the belief in last judgement, but that it contains reincarnation is new to me. Isn't heaven good enough, or hell bad enough? (and for a bit of word playing, reunion sort of assumes both parts stil exist, which won't be the case for your body (worms and insects say hello), so yes, it would definitely be a reincarnation).
 

Posted Jul 17, '13 at 4:51am

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

Most people shun Catholicism for their beliefs because they only put it to logic or what is know in the world today. We must always try to think outside the box and look at things differently.


It only makes sense so long as you don't apply logic to it huh? Guess nothing more needs to be said on that then. Except, thinking outside the box doesn't mean not using logic.

Usually, I find reason to believe in it, and change my ways.


In other words let's start with a conclusion and let's see what we can make fit that conclusion. Actually that isn't all that different from what your average Joe does.
 

Posted Jul 17, '13 at 12:42pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

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It only makes sense so long as you don't apply logic to it huh? Guess nothing more needs to be said on that then. Except, thinking outside the box doesn't mean not using logic.

Not what i meant bro, i just meant that using logic doesn't always prove the reality of something. There are other attributes that simple-minded people may not understand.
 

Posted Jul 17, '13 at 3:11pm

Moegreche

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Catholics believe that there will be a reincarnation at the end of time, on the last day, which will reunite our bodies and souls to receive full reward or punishment for our lives we led.


No, not even almost. Reincarnation is incompatible with the foundations of Christianity. And it's completely inconsistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church. This means that either 1) You're not really a Catholic, 2) You are deeply confused about the dogmas of Catholic faith (which carries the implication that you're not, strictly speaking, a Catholic), or 3) You're deeply confused about the notion of reincarnation.

i just meant that using logic doesn't always prove the reality of something. There are other attributes that simple-minded people may not understand.


You're suggesting that there are things that somehow go beyond or violate the laws of logic? That's just nonsense. And what 'other attributes' are you talking about? Attributes of what? Or are you just saying things?
 

Posted Jul 17, '13 at 4:12pm

Kasic

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No, not even almost. Reincarnation is incompatible with the foundations of Christianity. And it's completely inconsistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church. This means that either 1) You're not really a Catholic, 2) You are deeply confused about the dogmas of Catholic faith (which carries the implication that you're not, strictly speaking, a Catholic), or 3) You're deeply confused about the notion of reincarnation.


Moe, it's all three. He lives in his own little bubble world. Go visit his Traditional Catholics thread to find out more.

(and for a bit of word playing, reunion sort of assumes both parts stil exist, which won't be the case for your body (worms and insects say hello),


I think we can all agree that reincarnation where people/animals are literally reborn as the same person is demonstrably, utterly falsifiable. We have no recorded instances of the 'same' person appearing twice, and we know that our biological bodies decay.
 

Posted Jul 18, '13 at 12:11pm

MacII

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This means that either 1) You're not really a Catholic


Well, going by another thread, we're looking at a Catholic Libertarian (or possibly Libertarian Catholic. Or perhaps Traditional Catholic Libertarian, or vice versa.)

Now there's an eceptional minority (of one?) if ever I heard of one
 

Posted Jul 18, '13 at 12:36pm

pangtongshu

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Well, going by another thread, we're looking at a Catholic Libertarian (or possibly Libertarian Catholic. Or perhaps Traditional Catholic Libertarian, or vice versa.)


Just because you claim to be something, doesn't actually make it so
 

Posted Jul 18, '13 at 12:48pm

OperationNilo

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By having a quick read about the above, I think Declan meant another thing with reincarnation. As I understand my religion, what will happen at the end of time is not necessarily reincarnation (with the definition you're using).

 
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