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George Zimmermann Found Not Guilty

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 10:15pm

Maverick4

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Posted Jul 13, '13 at 10:25pm

Freakenstein

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My biggest beef with the matter is:

"The fact that Zimmerman fired the bullet that killed Martin was never in question, but the verdict means the six-person jury had reasonable doubt that the shooting amounted to a criminal act."

So he shot the bullet, the bullet hit Martin, the bullet killed Martin, and he was not at least convicted of Manslaughter (which usually is the verdict given even if the shooting was an accident).

It's a groan-inducing flub. The big picture is "Is Zimmerman guilty of killing Trayvon Martin?" And even the jurors knew that he killed him! But they gave him the Not Guilty charge. The jurors who agreed to "not guilty" are retarded.

 

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 10:29pm

Freakenstein

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"Who was yelling? Martin's mother testified she's "absolutely" sure it was her son; Zimmerman's parents said, with as much conviction, that it was their own child."

A much-physically-larger man, Zimmerman wielding a gun, versus a much-phyiscally-smaller boy Martin wielding a packet of Skittles and iced tea. Who would reasonably have cries for help?

 

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 10:36pm

infinight888

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The big picture is "Is Zimmerman guilty of killing Trayvon Martin?" And even the jurors knew that he killed him! But they gave him the Not Guilty charge. The jurors who agreed to "not guilty" are retarded.


That was never the issue though. This was a self-defence case. If the case was a woman bein raped and she killed her atacker, would you want her to be charged with manslaughter as well? As the jurors were told by the judge, even manslaughter is not a viable charge if the killing was justified by the law and the prosectution failed to meet its burden of proof to show that it was not a justified kiling beyond a reasonable doubt.

I personally, am of the opinion that Zimmerman attacked Martin first, but the prosecution failed to prove that.
 

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 10:40pm

Freakenstein

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This was a self-defence case


What self-defense is there when the man disobeyed a citizen's orders by the police to not approach the person, gun in hand, and instigated a physical altercation?

If the case was a woman bein raped and she killed her atacker, would you want her to be charged with manslaughter as well?


This does not work, because the victim would have been the survivor. Even Manslaughter charges are given to those who kill victims in self-defense and accident, however, and the jurors failed to give him that.

the prosectution failed to meet its burden of proof to show that it was not a justified kiling beyond a reasonable doubt.


The burden of proof is the negligence of Zimmerman disobeying a policeman's orders, and the instigation of the physical altercation. Referring to my point above, with all the items found on Martin, who exactly would be reasonably more apt to crying out for help? A big man with a pistol or a small boy with candy?
 

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 10:52pm

Maverick4

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The burden of proof is the negligence of Zimmerman disobeying a policeman's orders, and the instigation of the physical altercation. Referring to my point above, with all the items found on Martin, who exactly would be reasonably more apt to crying out for help? A big man with a pistol or a small boy with candy?


I think you're missing the point Frank. The burden of proof is always on the prosecution, for starters. As infinight said, the prosecution would have to proove that Zimmerman was not justified in his shooting of Martin. They failed to do that; the jury let Zimmerman free.

Manslaughter charges are applied when, through the negligience of the individual, a second party is killed. I actually aggree with the defense in this point: the manslaughter charge shouldn't have been included. Either Zimmerman was justified (and is innocent), or he was not (and guilty of 2nd degree murder). As for your example, I challenge you to find an example where the victim of a violent crime was convicted of manslaughter for killing his/her attacker. An individual does have the right to self defense if their person is in danger.

To answer your questions: Why was Martin in a gated community, where crime has been a problem (as evidenced by a neighborhood watch)? How do you know that Zimmerman instigated the attack? What evidence have you that Zimmerman was not in danger at the time?
 

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 10:56pm

infinight888

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A much-physically-larger man, Zimmerman wielding a gun, versus a much-phyiscally-smaller boy Martin wielding a packet of Skittles and iced tea. Who would reasonably have cries for help?

Referring to my point above, with all the items found on Martin, who exactly would be reasonably more apt to crying out for help? A big man with a pistol or a small boy with candy?

Firstly, Zimmerman put on weight afterwards. I believe Trayvon actually weighed more than Zimmerman at that time. Secondly, Trayvon had a history of being in fights. It is also a fact that Trayvon was on top in the fight. Once again, reasonable doubt was established.


What self-defense is there when the man disobeyed a citizen's orders by the police to not approach the person, gun in hand, and instigated a physical altercation?


Walking behind somebody is not enough to say that Zimmerman "instigated" the fight. In addition, he was not ordered. The operator said that they didn't need Zimmerman to follow Trayvon.

This does not work, because the victim would have been the survivor.


If Zimmerman's version was the truth and Trayvon circled around, then Zimmerman would have been the victim. Moving forwards with the rape analogy, what if the woman was wearing a skimpy outfit. Would you argue that she was asking to be raped by dressing like that and therefore the guy she killed was the real victim and she didn't have the right to defend herself?
 

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 11:54pm

MageGrayWolf

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Firstly, Zimmerman put on weight afterwards. I believe Trayvon actually weighed more than Zimmerman at that time.


We can compare.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_zimmerman_surveillance_tk_120328_wg.jpg

This second image I'm putting as link only since it's a picture of Trayvon shortly after being killed.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/junk/MSNBC-TRAYVON-MARTIN_zpsf729d376.jpg
 

Posted Jul 13, '13 at 11:58pm

pangtongshu

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A big man with a pistol or a small boy with candy?

or a small boy with candy

small boy with candy

small boy


lulz

I'm a bit disheartened by a liberal page I have liked on Facebook. The main angle of the page is, essentially, bashing Republicans..but not Republicans in general, the Republicans that refuse to use logic and whatnot.

Now..the page is acting like the illogical Republicans they bash..and are up and arms about the verdict and talking about how horrendous the verdict was, completely ignoring the fact that there wasn't enough evidence to convict him and just making assumptions to assert he should have been convicted.
 

Posted Jul 14, '13 at 12:03am

Maverick4

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We can compare.


To say that Zimmerman's size when compared to Martin's has any relevance in the case is akin to saying all fat people are criminals.
 
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