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George Zimmermann Found Not Guilty

Posted Jul 25, '13 at 10:39am

MacII

MacII

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Sonatavarius wrote:

I'm not going to be guilted or shamed over something that happened 400 years ago.

Just recently, we in the Netherlands celebrated the 150-year anniversary of the abolition of slavery.*

That's 150 years ago, folks. Think about it. That's only yesterday. Think we got civilized much and have a right to pound ourselves on the chests, in a mere one and a half century? I know people whose great-grandparents were slaves still, I'm sure you can speak to them in the USA, too.

* In fact, in the Dutch colonies or "overseas territories" they were formally set free, but for another decade were legally required to still work for their "owners," now as "free" men. This not to unduly hinder said owners with this sudden switch in their production modes. I guess it gave them time to turn to indentured labor instead, now hauling in the Javanese Balinese Chinese Indians etc.

 

Posted Jul 25, '13 at 11:56am

Sonatavarius

Sonatavarius

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Person of color was not the phrase I used. They are descended from a different culture and ethnically speaking the half life of the melanin in their skin is different from mine. If you choose to use that phrase as a descriptor, then that's your decision. I choose to acknowledge the difference because there is one. Our culture and heritage are different. If a race of humans developed separate of caucasians of earth on the moon and they just happened to be of light complexion... And they just happened to have an altercation with a black person then it'd still be wrong to call it white v black.  It would instead be humoon v black.  Over generalizing everyone into white so that everything that's not black on black crime is wrong. It's just a means of furthering the hate. Who is next to be caucasianified? Vietnamese people?

I couldn't care less if slavery only ended fourish generations over there. You're obviously more racist and hate filled than we are. I have all sorts of fresh off the boat friends whose still non English speaking parents came over with absolutely nothing and have still made great lives for themselves. If generation zero from all of these other cultures are still doing great for themselves while they can't even speak English all that well, then slavery 400, 150, or even 50 years ago isn't a very good excuse for anything. Great Whitey isn't the problem so much as the plethora of other factors at play

 

Posted Jul 25, '13 at 12:00pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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That's 150 years ago, folks. Think about it. That's only yesterday

Not quite. That's about 5 generations for most. Why should I feel any amount of responsibility for what those slave owners did, based solely on my skin color?

I know people whose great-grandparents were slaves still

If I find that some of my ancestors were slaughtered or wrongly imprisoned during the Crusades, would I have a legitimate case for reparations against the Catholic Church? If I find that some ancestors were slaves in Ancient Rome, should I expect special treatment from Italy? Where do you draw the line for exceptions based on lineage?

 

Posted Jul 25, '13 at 12:23pm

Sonatavarius

Sonatavarius

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150 years is actually closer to 54,750 yesterdays ago when you do the math.  Saying that just b/c my great great great grandfather hurt yours doesn't give you license to get pissed off at me.... especially since I'm pretty certain that I too am a black man.  Oh its there! I only have white skin, blue eyes, and blonde hair.... but I do have a black ancester supposedly on my grandmother's side somewhere down the road.  DOWN WITH THE WHITE DEVIL!!! Where are my reparations for my ancestral suffering?  Would you deny me my reparations simply because the color of my skin?  Racists...

 

Posted Jul 25, '13 at 12:25pm

Sonatavarius

Sonatavarius

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there was a typo in my second to last statement.

it was supposed to read
"so that everything that's not black on black crime is white on black crime"

that is all

 

Posted Jul 27, '13 at 1:27am

dair5

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Since the tribes were often culturally different, I'd say it's more similar to a group of Irishmen attacked by a group of Brits being called "white on white violence". They're very similar, but culturally different enough to keep an "Us vs Them" mentality. Obviously, "white on white" or "black on black" violence isn't usually caused by having the same skin color.

Yeah. That seems more accurate.

It's a mislabel. He's half white just like the president is.

No... He's American. And hispanics are very proud of their culture. That culture is loss as the hispanics born in America tend to assimilate into American culture. If you don't strongly identify with the culture, you're considered less hispanic (sometimes not even hispanic at all.) His father being white only adds to that.

You have to put him in horrible lighting to even mistake him for something other than Hispanic.

..... It's not about how you look... Hispanics vary a lot in skin color and face.

It makes everyone afraid of the GREAT WHITEY to the point of not going into the water anymore when the greater danger statistically is your fellow black peer.

Really? Where I live people tend to be more afraid of blacks than whites. Not that they should be. Judging anyone based on the color of their skin is wrong. Even if statistics say they're more likely to be dangerous.

Then page 10...

Could we move away from the Africa. racism, thing please? I really don't think anyone meant to offend anyone else, and it's pretty off topic.

 

Posted Jul 29, '13 at 1:26am

danielo

danielo

1,373 posts

Why the peoples of USA are all race experts? I mean - "he is half hispanic 1/4 white 1/8 irish 1/8 chinese". Why is it matter at all???

 

Posted Jul 29, '13 at 6:54am

MacII

MacII

1,369 posts

Why the peoples of USA are all race experts? I mean - "he is half hispanic 1/4 white 1/8 irish 1/8 chinese". Why is it matter at all???

Good question :) My theory is because it's a relatively young nation, with much identity issues to struggle with still, on all sides.

You can observe such struggles with migrants anywhere, the question then arises So where do I belong, what is my identity. This feeling of no longer being neither here nor there. The answers of course may vary widely.

Then the pains of colonial history thrown in for good measure. (If you think I don't know what I'm talking about, my parents and hence I as a child were immigrants to one of our colonies abroad. Life and history in the Caribbean and, by extension as it were, North and South America I'm no stranger to. And again of course, none of this leads to any given answers, per se, one's conclusions may again vary widely. Personally, I've come to reject or be indifferent to most any notions of "identity.")

Mind you: This is of course in itself a generalization, and many North Americans may not take kindly to the suggestion. I'll kindly seek to wisely refrain from any flaming on the matter ;)

 

Posted Jul 30, '13 at 7:17pm

ldslarson

ldslarson

56 posts

Not guilty, Self defense end of story. A court found him not guilty therefore he is NOT GUILTY. End of discussion

 

Posted Jul 31, '13 at 11:50am

Kasic

Kasic

5,570 posts

Not guilty, Self defense end of story

Is it really self defense if he was the one to initiate it? Or to cause it? The operator he called told him not to follow. Whether he acted in self defense may or may not be the case (I wasn't there) but he certainly is responsible for the incident in some manner, and it could have been avoided altogether.

A court found him not guilty therefore he is NOT GUILTY.

I'm not sure if you understand how our justice system works. A court ruling him not guilty doesn't mean he didn't do it - it just means no one proved he did. We all know he killed Martin. We all know he was the only one armed. We all know he definitely followed Martin. And -most- of us know that Zimmerman was not 250 lbs at the time, he put on that weight after the shooting.

 
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