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George Zimmermann Found Not Guilty

Posted Jul 14, '13 at 12:23am

EmperorPalpatine

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So he shot the bullet, the bullet hit Martin, the bullet killed Martin, and he was not at least convicted of Manslaughter (which usually is the verdict given even if the shooting was an accident).


In Florida, manslaughter must be "without lawful justification". If it has lawful justification, it's entirely excused. Under their Stand Your Ground statute, based on the evidence surrounding the shot directly causing the death, it's considered justified.
 

Posted Jul 14, '13 at 12:46am

MageGrayWolf

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Now..the page is acting like the illogical Republicans they bash..and are up and arms about the verdict and talking about how horrendous the verdict was, completely ignoring the fact that there wasn't enough evidence to convict him and just making assumptions to assert he should have been convicted.


Yes, and in contrast I'm seeing the Republican pages treating the verdict as meaning Trayvon was a viscous monster.

To say that Zimmerman's size when compared to Martin's has any relevance in the case is akin to saying all fat people are criminals.


True, just pointing it out. Even if he was smaller doesn't mean he couldn't have been a better fighter.

Also in other news.
Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots
 

Posted Jul 14, '13 at 12:55am

SSTG

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This case was wrong from the start. They should have charged him with reckless endangerment which he was guilty of by following Trayvon. Having been followed by 3 men when I was 14yo I can understand how Trayvon felt at the time.
If George had approached Trayvon, saying "Hi I'm George and I'm on the neighborhood watch, did you see anything suspicious?"
Trayvon could have said: "No, I live with my dad and I come back from the store."
That would have been over and everybody would have been fine.
George might have had good intentions at first but he went all wrong about it by profiling Trayvon. Things escalated from there.

 

Posted Jul 14, '13 at 12:57am

pangtongshu

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Also in other news.
Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots


I might have a video regarding this. I'll have to check through it to make sure it says what I was told it says..but basically, there is more to the story than given. Such as, she went out of the way to retrieve her gun from her car and return with it
 

Posted Jul 14, '13 at 2:49am

Sonatavarius

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did the cop actually give him an order to not pursue him? ...b/c I really don't think he can and the way I heard it was that it was more of a suggestion than an order. "We don't need you to follow him" .... and that doesn't out right say yes or no to whether or not he should follow. If you've got to wait 15-20 minutes for cops to show up to inspect a shady situation/individual, then odds are they're probably gonna be gone if they've already seen that people have taken their presence as suspicious. What's the point of calling the cops if you know the person is going to get away. "Know"'ing here being more of the you're 99% certain the cop is going to get there and there be nothing.... not so much the knowing for 100% fact, but I'm sure I don't really need to explain that. So to make sure the matter is resolved and the suspicious person found I can see how following said person may be warranted to someone who has taken it upon himself to make sure his family and friends in the area are protected. His confronting the person is where he starts losing my support.

If you're constitutionally allowed to carry a firearm, then you can choose to do so. If you confront someone you have a problem with and they then begin to beat the feces out of your face, then I think you're constitutionally allowed to use your constitutionally allowed firearm with deadly force to save your face.

If the kid really did have him in a ground and pound situation, then he either watched too much tv (and wanted to try it for the first time), or he knew what he was doing (meaning he's probably fought before). Boxer's can get into trouble for using "weapons" if they hit someone with just their fist outside of the ring (or I think they can). Too much blunt force trauma to the head (and back of the head (concrete!)) can kill someone just as much as a bullet can.

The prosecution needed to prove that Zimmerman intended to harm/start a fight from the beginning. They needed to prove that Trayvvon didn't see him coming the second time and circle back around to beat him away (and thus stop the pursuit). From what I've seen and heard... that didn't happen. They did not prove with absolution what needed to be proven(it's a little more than what I've said). It's kinda like that woman that may or may not have killed her child and dumped her body in the woods. I'm not sure (I might be wrong! b/c I haven't gone back and reread), but I think some people here may be jumping ship now. like... some people that defended the woman that didn't report her missing daughter for around a month are now arguing against Zimmerman. I know they're not the same case, but it's basically the same thing. They couldn't prove it, and that is that. Dwelling on it and harboring ill will doesn't do much more than perpetuate the world's problems.

I'm mostly disgusted with the completely uninvolved people.... you know... the ones saying "Imma kill me a white kid if he goes free and get away with it!" ...the guy is half hispanic, but a good portion of people have made it a black and white thing. There was some black reverend that wrote something up here on the internets (Imma tryin to find it) where he thought it was ridiculous how people are searching to find black white problems to blow up in the news when like 500 youths were killed in black on black encounters in somewhere like chicago alone in the last year(s). I'm all for equality and being nice to everyone, but it seems like groups like the NAACP have become nothing but hate mongers and bigger racists than anyone else around.

I'll try and find that link, but it may be lost to the facebook pages of eternity by now

 

Posted Jul 14, '13 at 4:48pm

Sonatavarius

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http://www.bondaction.org/content/article/37076/Black%20Racism%20Killed%20Trayvon%20

yay for googles!!! if thou ask then thou shall receive!!! not that it proves anything... it just asks the question "who are the real racists here?" (in a paraphrased manner)

 

Posted Jul 15, '13 at 12:33am

xeano321

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The whole case is just a little funny... I have to say though, that when you look at the hard facts of the case and take out all the assumptions and stuff, that Zimmermann killed him in self defense. There is no proof of racial profiling. People protesting over this is just silly.

 

Posted Jul 15, '13 at 1:06am

pangtongshu

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that when you look at the hard facts of the case and take out all the assumptions and stuff, that Zimmermann killed him in self defense. There is no proof of racial profiling. People protesting over this is just silly.


^Exactly. Everyone is acting on their feelings on the matter and making mere assumptions.

It's sad, too..point out the facts, and people call you a racist and whatnot.
 

Posted Jul 15, '13 at 2:02am

Getoffmydangle

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I'm disappointed by the verdict. But our justice system is setup to err on the side of 'not guilty.' The old phrase: "its better to let 10 guilty men go free than imprison 1 innocent man."

An individual does have the right to self defense if their person is in danger.


Hypothetically, if I start a fight with someone and they start beating the crap out of me, I can shoot them because *At that Moment* I feel legitimately concerned for my safety. Completely disregarding everything else that led up to me feeling concerned for my safety? The point here is at what point does the "self-defender" have to take responsibility for putting themselves in said danger?
I'm not a legal expert, but zimmerman is guilty of something. From a moral standpoint, he is responsible for that kid's death.

To answer your questions: Why was Martin in a gated community, where crime has been a problem (as evidenced by a neighborhood watch)?

Ok, not calling you a racist, but the black kid was in the gated community because his father lived there.
 

Posted Jul 15, '13 at 3:01am

pangtongshu

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The point here is at what point does the "self-defender" have to take responsibility for putting themselves in said danger?


Well..saying that he was merely approaching Martin, and not threatening him or instigating a fight, I would say the responsibility is not much upon him.
 
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