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Why do we do what we do?

Posted Aug 23, '13 at 10:26pm

xAyjAy

xAyjAy

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why we do what we do? that depends on what you mean.

 

Posted Aug 23, '13 at 10:35pm

Salvidian

Salvidian

3,950 posts

why we do what we do? that depends on what you mean.

How would you operationally define what it means to do what someone would do?

 

Posted Aug 28, '13 at 9:24am

danielo

danielo

1,378 posts

why we do what we do? that depends on what you mean.

We were just disgusing it for the past 5 pages.

I will take it to another subject:

Does the fear frim higher punishment is what keep 'Laws' or even just 'Normal behavge' in order, or does its root in us?

Does man is Natural law in birth or natural chaos?

 

Posted Aug 30, '13 at 3:04am

xAyjAy

xAyjAy

1,683 posts

humans create rules and laws so the society stays safe. some people try to break these laws and rules, but if they get noticed, then they get punished. humans can not live without rules and laws or everybody would do what they want, including murder, r*pe, theft and other crimes without being punished for doing these crimes..

 

Posted Aug 30, '13 at 4:22am

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,006 posts

Knight

humans can not live without rules and laws or everybody would do what they want, including murder, r*pe, theft and other crimes without being punished for doing these crimes..

The reason for rules and laws is 1) preventive, so that people know what will be punished and what not, and 2) administrative, so that tribunals can fine 'crimes' as adequately as possible without appearing arbitrary.

While rules of behaviour is a pretty manifest step in most societies, they are, strictly speaking, not needed. They are just the result of our intrinsic morals, and I could well imagine a society without law where people would  judge criminals on their own accord. The question then is, is this the best/most fair solution? Probably not, but it would most definitely work.

 

Posted Aug 30, '13 at 10:31am

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

I CANNOT believe you guys are actually discussing this.  It's called "Human Nature" and it was put into us by God to separate us from the beasts of the field.  We have "morals" so we know not to sin, and we know to do good.  God put different tendencies into us.  If we have strong wills, we can control them, and they are good.  If we can't control them, they turn into sin.  God gave us a tendency to desire food and water, so that we will live.  If we didn't want food, some people wouldn't eat, and die.  But, if we can't control it, and eat even when we aren't hungry, then we commit the sin of gluttony.  The sex tendency was put into us to help us reproduce, and make souls for heaven, but if misused, it becomes sinful.  The tendency to sleep and rest, which was put into us to recharge ourselves, can be over used and turned into the sin of sloth.  These things were put into us for the greater good, if used correctly.  If we misuse them, which basically all non-believers do, and some religious people mistakenly, then there are always prices to pay. (Getting fat, out of shape, early death, disease, sicknesses, all caused by these things)

 

Posted Aug 30, '13 at 12:33pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,006 posts

Knight

Oh pleeeeaaase. You may certainly give us insight into your views of law and morals, but if you do, try and be respectful instead of hitting everyone on the head and treating us like idiots.

 

Posted Aug 31, '13 at 8:52am

partydevil

partydevil

5,094 posts

just ignore him. he wants to make it into one of his crazy religious debates again.
i rather see my topic die then giving him this podium.
plz. all regard his post as not there and keep going on the rest. =)

 

Posted Sep 1, '13 at 2:09pm

danielo

danielo

1,378 posts

Deep deep in what knightdeclan said lay truth. The human being is controled bydesires. Peoples CAN eat until explode or drink until drown from the inside. Gosh, there were even cases of "death by snu snu".

So what i say is - wher it started? After all, peoples didnt just gathered somewher sayong "well, lets stop rape each other".
What i mean is, does we realy have morality in us? Or we are just tought rules and the diffrunces of "good" and "evil".

After thinking on it, last century we saw educated peoples killing peoples by thousands without second thought, and we saw cases wher kids educated to hate and belive its natural. And no, i dont speak ONLY about the holocaust. Its a big and good example, but sadly not the only one.

 

Posted Sep 1, '13 at 4:30pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,006 posts

Knight

What i mean is, does we realy have morality in us?

Some experiment evidenced that even certain monkeys have a sense of injustice, in that case when another monkey was fed better quality food. Yes, our morality is intrinsic to us. It is certainly to a big part a consequence of social lives.

Or we are just tought rules and the diffrunces of "good" and "evil".

By whom? Other humans. Who taught it to them? Go back the chain; some will point you to myths about deities holding the absolute truth; others will show you that every human has a sense of what is good or bad, sense which is to a part intrinsic but can be influenced by environment. Like in your example of killing and hating.

But there'll always be people thinking about what they're doing and starting to realise their hatred is wrong. Where does this come from? Some would say god. I would say from themselves. It's biology.

 
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