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12 Years Later: An Introspective

Posted Sep 30, '13 at 9:52pm

stinkyjim

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I honestly think that we need to get over that event. It was a tragic loss, but it happened over a decade ago. The war is now technically over, and the fallen have been buried.

 

Posted Oct 1, '13 at 4:45pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,477 posts

I honestly think that we need to get over that event. It was a tragic loss, but it happened over a decade ago.


This is what happens when we get complacent.
 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 1:59am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

That they went their in the first place answers your question, I believe.

So went greks, British and Russians. Its the land frigging changes khan avoided.
 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 7:25am

Maverick4

Maverick4

6,891 posts

So went greks, British and Russians. Its the land frigging changes khan avoided.


Congratulations. You ability to ward off a man on horseback with pointy sticks is entirely relevant in today's era of technological achievement. Given how the US has the capacity to wage war without ever sending a human body anywhere (RE, drones), then I don't think we'd have to even go over there next time to begin with.
 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 9:14am

danielo

danielo

1,748 posts

It dosent matter maverick. You cant conquer Afganistan. Its just a big trap.

And chengis khan did libaretad Afganistan (I read a book on him. Im his fan now).

 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 9:36am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

Congratulations. You ability to ward off a man on horseback with pointy sticks is entirely relevant in today's era of technological achievement. Given how the US has the capacity to wage war without ever sending a human body anywhere (RE, drones), then I don't think we'd have to even go over there next time to begin with.

War is won by armies, not airforces, yes they do play a very important role but in the end its boots on the grounds that do the job, you are mistaken or have that so typical of americans arrogance if you think other wise.
Sure drones are useful, but what will they target if they don't have any intel?
"But punisher, we can have spies can't we?"
Yes you can have spies but how many people will volunteer (they will volunteer as you can not force them if you don't have any one there to force) for spying when they know that those for whom they are working are thousands of miles away at their homes and no one is gonna come for us?
Also, Hopefully USA has learned its lesson of not starting the wars they can't win.
As it is evident from it not interfering in Syria.
 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 10:30am

danielo

danielo

1,748 posts

To add for Punisher argue, USA didnt fought a countrey. They fought an idea. A group.
You can bomb a tank garage. You can destroy supply convoys. But armed militia who hide in mountains - that impossible.

USA mission in Afganistan is to build a democratic western government. And they quite succsed. Now, slowly but firmly, i hope the Afgan state will be able to release itself from the hands who try to use it. Taliban dont care about the afgans. Most of the terrorist arent afgans. They use Afganistan as a huge camp, a gathering place.
Like in Syria, there are 4 factions - The regiem, the democratic rebels, the radicall islamist aka Al-Quadia, and the kurds. These Radical smell weakness and jump in like leeches. Again, they dont care about Syria.ike they did in Jordan, like they do in Lebanon. In tunis.

They are the one who destroy the arab world. Not USA.

 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 12:59pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

9,477 posts

Sure drones are useful, but what will they target if they don't have any intel?

Maybe the people that are shooting at the drones?

"But punisher, we can have spies can't we?"

We don't need spies that much anymore. We can already see license plates from space and the technology is only going to improve. We can trace and interpret many forms of communication. If we're talking about fighting actual armies, they're not that difficult to track.

but how many people will volunteer

Our entire freakin' military is volunteer and they'll go and do whatever they're told.

and no one is gonna come for us?

How do you think espionage works these days?

Hopefully USA has learned its lesson of not starting the wars they can't win.
As it is evident from it not interfering in Syria.

Syria has nothing to do with not being able to win. The public just doesn't want it and doesn't care. It doesn't directly do anything to us. Sure, it's sad that their government is slaughtering its own people, but that's their problem, not ours.
 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 5:11pm

Maverick4

Maverick4

6,891 posts

War is won by armies, not airforces


War is won by any means necessary. If the goal is to kill the enemy quickly, cheaply, and efficiently as possible, then any means can be utilized to accomplish the end. Placing undue importance on one over another is ridiculous.

Sure drones are useful, but what will they target if they don't have any intel?


Have you not seen any recent news involving the NSA? Suggesting the US government and military will be without intelligence is laughable, and completely ignores the wealth of drones, satelites, and other nefarious devices in the US arsenal.

Also, Hopefully USA has learned its lesson of not starting the wars they can't win.
As it is evident from it not interfering in Syria.


Deine "win." On a military scale, the US accomplished its goals in Iraq and Afghanistan. Totalitarian regimes were quickly overthrown, democratic governments were established, and the Iraqi and Afghani peoples have the opportunity to have free political discourse for the first time in a very long time.

No body wanted to go to Syria because who rules in Damascus has no affect on Washington.

You can bomb a tank garage. You can destroy supply convoys. But armed militia who hide in mountains - that impossible.


But you CAN kill the adherents of an idea. Associate the following of an ideology with destruction and ruin, and see how many people are quick to take up your cross.
 

Posted Oct 2, '13 at 6:18pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,757 posts

War is won by armies, not airforces, yes they do play a very important role but in the end its boots on the grounds that do the job, you are mistaken or have that so typical of americans arrogance if you think other wise.


War needs neither to be won...just a lil FYI.
 
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