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High Score Question (Hacking?)

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 12:46am

Reton8

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Okay, so I noticed this about the top scores in Papa's Freezeria, it's extremely high. Here's a few images and I will explain more about this below.
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a627/Reton8/AG%20Image%20Uploads/AG%20Misc/HighScores2.png

1.) We see the number 1 high score is 2,147,483,647. Next we see that it was posted on July 16, 2011.

2.) We see the user's profile who says that people call him a hacker (but the comment hints at the fact that the score is authentic).

3.) We see that the game was released in the summer of 2011. Considering the post date of the first place persons score, this does not leave them with much time to reach this score.

4.) This is the amount of points I get after a typical day. The number is 1,176 points. I usually get around a 98% service rating, so I am gaining a higher amount of points per day.

Let me also mention that it takes roughly 7 to 10 minutes to complete an in-game day in Papa's Freezeria. You gain points after every day and those are the points that add up to go to your high score. The more days you complete the more you will have for your high score. So the 1,176 points I earn at the end of the day (shown in number 4) are points toward my high score.

Here is so math.
- Let's be generous and say that it takes 5 minutes to complete one in- game day.

- 1200 points are earned every in-game day.

- Taking the high score of 2,147,483,647 we divide.

2,147,483,647 / 1,200 = 1,789,569.706 in-game days

Rounding in game days up to the nearest whole day and dividing by 5 minutes real life time to complete 1 in-game day.

1,789,570 * 5 minutes = 8,947,850 minutes
or
149,131 hours (rounded up to nearest whole hour)
or
6,214 days
or
about 17 years playing this game non-stop, 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Considering the game came out in the summer of 2011 and the score was posted in 2011 I don't see how this is not hacking, unless there is some sort of multiplier that is given later in the game.

This bothers me because I am aiming to get a high score, and if the first 1o or so scores are all hacked, it sort of ruins the fun.

So, can anyone clarify if there is a multiplier later in the game allowing for such scores or if all of these scores are just hacked?

 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 9:09am

UnleashedUponMankind

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Hacked...
and its not only in the freezeria, its in so many games, nonsurprisingly the main of these pathetic users have exactly the 2.147.483.647 score.

 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 9:15am

Reton8

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Hacked...
and its not only in the freezeria, its in so many games, nonsurprisingly the main of these pathetic users have exactly the 2.147.483.647 score.


Okay, I figured but I didn't want to jump to conclusions. Thanks for clarifying that there are no multipliers in the game on my profile :]

That's interesting that whatever they use to hack makes the same score of 2,147,483,647. I find it funny that the player with the number one score on Papa's Freezeria actually says to try and beat his score and then mentions hacking.
 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 9:25am

UnleashedUponMankind

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Its not everytime the 2.xxx score, some of the lower ones are surely hacked too, dunno which "error" they making.

Funny... i would say pitiful.

 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 11:40am

jeol

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That's interesting that whatever they use to hack makes the same score of 2,147,483,647. I find it funny that the player with the number one score on Papa's Freezeria actually says to try and beat his score and then mentions hacking.

That's because that's the largest 32-bit signed integer there can be, which is the most common way to store integer values. In binary, if you added one, it would actually be read as -2,147,483,648 because of how integers are stored. I would show you the math, but it would probably bore you... Yey science!
 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 12:03pm

Amarantamin

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Yeah, 2,147,483,647 is simply the highest possible value that type of integer can be. It's a really dumb, show-off way of cheating; a smarter way would be to calculate a difficult but not impossible score and use that. Also, it's not 'hacking' in the slightest; he just used a memory editing program to change the value for him. It's just cheating.

Other similar examples are games that count points in multiples of 10, so a score ending with '7' shouldn't even be possible. Anyone going for that max value is just trying to show off that they're cheating, or too dumb to realize that it's totally obvious.

 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 12:58pm

Reton8

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That's because that's the largest 32-bit signed integer there can be, which is the most common way to store integer values. In binary, if you added one, it would actually be read as -2,147,483,648 because of how integers are stored. I would show you the math, but it would probably bore you... Yey science!


Wow, I totally forgot about this. Nice catch! :]

The other common variables (the parentheses indicate the Common Language Runtime data type):

Short (Int16): -32,768 to 32,767
Integer (Int32): -2,147,483,648 to 2,147,483,648
Long (Int64): -9,223,372,036,854,775,808 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,808

Single (Single): - 3.402823E+38 through -1.401298E-45 for negative values and 1.401298E-45 thorugh 3.402823E+38 for positive values

Double (Double): -1.79769313486231570E+308 to -4.94065645841246544E-324 for negative values and 4.94065645841246544E-324 through 1.79769313486231570E+308

Those are the names in Visual Basic (for certain) and probably common in other languages. Single and Double are floating point numbers that can become extremely large. If my memory is correct the E+308 is basically scientific notation (10^308).

It be interesting to see the high score list of a game that used double to store high scores, but I bet that would drain on the resource rather quickly.

Yeah, 2,147,483,647 is simply the highest possible value that type of integer can be. It's a really dumb, show-off way of cheating; a smarter way would be to calculate a difficult but not impossible score and use that. Also, it's not 'hacking' in the slightest; he just used a memory editing program to change the value for him. It's just cheating.


Again nice catch :] And I totally agree, you just let everyone know you cheated when you post a score that's way too high.

Other similar examples are games that count points in multiples of 10, so a score ending with '7' shouldn't even be possible. Anyone going for that max value is just trying to show off that they're cheating, or too dumb to realize that it's totally obvious.


Good call. I'll have to keep this in mind when looking at the top scores of other games.
 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 1:22pm

Reton8

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I want to say that it's possible that the scores in the 1 million to 2 million range are more realistic. A score of 2 million, getting 1200 points for every in game day equates to playing the game 195 real hours. Which could be looked at as playing the game 1 hour a day for about half a year.

1 millions points would mean playing the game one hour a day for 3 months. Both the 1 million and 2 million point scores are not totally absurd.

 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 8:32pm

Amarantamin

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1-2 million might be legit, but look at the scores more carefully. Count the zeroes. Those are 1-2 BILLION, literally a thousand times higher. If 1 million means playing 1 hour a day for 3 months (just to use that example), then 1 billion means playing 1 hour a day for 3,000 months. Or a thousand hours a day, you know, depending on how much free time you have. ;-)

 

Posted Sep 22, '13 at 9:07pm

xXxDAPRO89xXx

xXxDAPRO89xXx

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Lol yeah when you get scores up in the billions on any game you know they are hacked.
And nice math Reton ;)

 
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