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Southern Pride and the Rebel Flag

Posted Oct 6, '13 at 8:06pm

Sonatavarius

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http://hdwpapers.com/walls/confederate_rebel_flag_wallpaper_hd-other.jpg

I believe I may have started a similar thread a long time ago, but I'm too lazy to find it. I think that the normals nowadays are different than back then (save for a few usernames I've never not seen floating around)...so I'm going to start a new discussion.

I will start with a question. What comes to your mind when you see the Rebel flag / Southern Cross / Southern Battle flag or some image representing/incorporating it?

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2323/2280804506_8da895158c_o.jpg
^the flag of the state of Mississippi

Does the flag incite rage? Does it excite a little southern pride in you? Does it represent hatred and suffering to you?....and why? What is your opinion of the people who would desire to fly it in public?

I'll leave it here for now and wait to see if anyone is interested in the subject before I ramble any further

 

Posted Oct 6, '13 at 8:08pm

Sonatavarius

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the first image didn't go through... but here's another one
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.985610!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/confederatewire2n-1-web.jpg

my apologies for the mistake

 

Posted Oct 6, '13 at 8:46pm

pangtongshu

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No rage from me, nor southern pride...but that is probably because I'm not southern.

Hating the flag for a small portion of what it used to represent would be like hating the Stars and Stripes for slavery, black oppression, female oppression, homosexual oppression, etc.

 

Posted Oct 6, '13 at 9:19pm

Sonatavarius

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I don't have the link at the moment, but there is a group somewhere in maybe Virginia that is trying to get the flag reinstated as their state flag or at least part of it. They've put a giant flag on the side of the interstate to show their pride. I got into a fb argument with some people that felt that it represented slavery and that it made those who would fly it a backwards backwoods redneck hate loving racist klansman for doing it too. According to the research of some and the supposed historical letters of others a sizable portion of the noteworthy Confederates had great distaste for the practice of slavery and some of the northern generals and such maintained their slave ownership til they were forced to concede (past the point in time when Appomattox had taken place)... if those crazy statements happened to be true can you actually say that freedom won that day? It's just my opinion, but I think maybe slavery was in its dying breaths at the time. Soon to be technological advancements would have made the act too costly and inefficient to maintain. It's possible that the southern states had the opportunity to have this great epiphany on their own stolen from them. Maybe we would have had less of a problem with racism had the country been allowed to figure it out on our own over the course of one or two more generations. It almost seems like the very act of a war having had occurred for the supposed reason of freeing slaves (some debate the true reasons!) has solidified a permanent well by which racism and hatred will be drawn and ever divide us. Who knows if that's actually true tho...

 

Posted Oct 7, '13 at 9:35pm

Maverick4

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That's actually the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. The CSA's flag fielded the naval jack in the upper corner, on a field of white. A red verticle banner was at the opposite end. It never revieved wide spread use, however, since the white field made it look like a flag of surrender whenever the wind was 't blowing. ^^

My family has a fairly rich history with regards to the Confederacy. I'm related to several individuals who fought against the north, and am a direct male descendent of a Captain in the SC State Militia, who was captured a month before the war ended, and was held for six months after since he wouldn't take an oath of allegiance to the US. So perhaps Imm a little biased when I say that I have no problem with people flying or displaying it. Freedom of expression, and what not.

 

Posted Oct 8, '13 at 12:28am

Nurvana

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What comes to your mind when you see the Rebel flag / Southern Cross / Southern Battle flag or some image representing/incorporating it?


The Civil War. The Confederacy. Slavery. Anyone who says differently is either living under a rock or lying. The flag itself? Nothing wrong with it. It was part of Mississippi's state flag before it was a rallying symbol for such a cause as slavery. However, the two-toothed rednecks flying it from their car and hanging it outside their houses, as some sort of nose-thumbing directed at anyone who cares, is what keeps the flag relevant enough to be discussed. But at the end of the day it's rather inconsequential. There are people where I live legitimately trying to rally the southern people to rise up against "Obama" because the "government is shut down". Anything that people that stupid do is of little concern to others, I think.
 

Posted Oct 8, '13 at 12:54am

Sonatavarius

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well I see a lot of people claiming that all they see is hate and slavery and that they feel really sorry for the black people who have to drive down the road with their children with the flag of the country who fought to keep them slaves flying like a slap in the face right in plain view.

I'm from Mississippi and I've shown what our flag looks like. We've had multiple episodes of different peoples trying to get us to discontinue its use over the last few years. I am also a blond caucasian male. I didn't grow up with slavery and for the longest time I didn't even really grasp what it was. When I look at the flag that is flying I don't see all of those horrible things. I see a flag that represents a people that in spite of being first in the worst and last in the best continues to raise the bar for the rest of the country and even the world. We regularly produce amazing musicians, writers, actors, sports players, scientists, and further medical research/practices. These are all things that you would think should come from places like John Hopkins, Harvard, California, or New York (and they do!...but we've got more than our fair share of awesome coming out). Elvis, Opra, Morgan Freeman, John Grisham, Jimmy Buffet, the first heart and lung transplants (performed in Mississippi or by the same University of Mississippi Medical Center surgeon in another state), the curing (at least temporarily but hopefully permanently) of a recent AIDS baby was led (or co-led) by a UMMC physician, and too many more to list. When I see the flag I see these things... I don't see the things a bunch of stupid old people who didn't know any better (and rumor has it a lot of them did and that the war may not have been fought over slavery so much as it was for "you can't tell me what to do")... I feel that if people are going to be proud in anything than southerners have more than enough reason to be proud of their area and celebrate "Southern Pride!"... don't get me wrong, I haven't forgotten that those ancient bad things happened. I just find it silly to dwell on all of these negatives when these same people will refuse to admit that Old Glory has cast its shadow on its own share of gruesome unsavory events. If you piled the bodies and ash left over from the bodies no longer existing high and compared the two parties.... my money is on the fact that you would see Old Glory's pile dwarfing the other by a huge margin. (we're talking deaths of innocents and such as that) With righteous great people like these, who needs racist slave owning enemies? ...and if you don't share that opinion, then lets change it a tad. If you were to compare the body piles of white on black hate crime + slavery with and that of black on black crime + murder you'd have to wonder... if a single black child were to be placed in a giant coliseum with nothing but white Mississippians vs the same environment but with black Chicagoans, under which scenario would that kid be statistically safer? I think some people are too worried with the superficial things that have no real influence on their life and worry too little about the real problems of today that are glaring them in their faces.

sorry... I like to ramble. You've caught me during a lull in med school and I've got nowhere else to use as an outlet for all of my normal study energy, so here I am!

 

Posted Oct 8, '13 at 1:01am

Sonatavarius

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well... to be fair to us rednecks... The most homosexual liberal people I personally know also loathe Obama and fill my facebook feed with anti-obama/anti-obamacare posts and comments. I'm not so sure it's just solely a redneck thing.

 

Posted Oct 10, '13 at 10:38am

KnightDeclan

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I love the confederate flag because it represents pride. They were forced into the union. I feel like we should still be separate, it'd also make sports pretty epic. I'm from the north, but I do respect the south more than the north.

 

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 4:19pm

Freakenstein

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I feel like we should still be separate


I also think so, but only so they take their massive debt with them :)
 
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