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Posted Dec 17, '13 at 12:10am

Riptizoid101

Riptizoid101

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Another problem I have are those gender stereotypes, "Oh you're a woman you should be like this" or "Oh you're a man you should be like this", to a certain degree it's fine like a women wear feminine clothes and men wear masculine clothes...some other stuff can go either way I think...

Sure there are always exceptions to the usual "Oh, I'm a man and I drive a truck, eat BBQ every Sunday, tough, loves football..." etc and "Oh, I'm a woman and I'm a good caregiver, emotional, submissive, verbal..." etc.

Really, when you're in the perspective of somebody that relates him or herself with a particular gender, it's mostly the attributes that appeal to the person that society has painted over with a thousand coats. You can't deny that, at least in the USA, the general populace of men and women pretty much fit the mold of the stereotype, though there are exceptions here and there. And of course, the sexual gender barrier is being breached, with more women paving the way to grab "blue collar" jobs and men donning pink collar jobs. But just the fact that pink collar jobs were once called "women's work" is a testimony to itself of how sexist the world is and was, and how it socially conditioned us to believe all this nonsense about masculinity and femininity.

And because both of these exist... it's not that strange to see so many are identifying themselves with a gender. They're just affiliating themselves with what they think they are based on society.

 

Posted Dec 17, '13 at 3:17am

Devoidless

Devoidless

3,553 posts

The topic about gender identity is quickly transforming into a discussion about gender roles. While the two maybe be related in some capacity, I don't see them being able to co-exist at the current rate of discussion in this thread.

Can we try to refocus on gender identity?

 

Posted Dec 17, '13 at 10:08am

MoonFairy

MoonFairy

3,221 posts

Gender Identity. My opinion on it is that I think people shouldn't really.... care?

I don't mean that people should just ignore the person's wishes to be identified as a specific gender, but I think that other people's opinion on how someone wants to be identified is audacious. If someone feels like being called she/her rather than he/him and vice versa then that's up to them.

But.

I find it to be frustrating to meet someone who identifies as a female, but looks just like every other normal guy on the street. I hate being offensive and calling them by the wrong thing, but if anyone chooses to identify themselves with a particular gender, I feel that maybe a smidgen of effort should go into altering their physical appearance to correspond with their decision.

I'm not saying that all Transgender people do this, but I have met a few too many TG folks who have put no effort into changing their looks, but get HIGHLY offended when you call them the wrong thing.

Anyways. That's my two cents on the subject.

 

Posted Dec 17, '13 at 10:13am

Pazx

Pazx

4,494 posts

I think there are too many people that conflate 'not conforming to all the socially constructed ideas about how you should act if you're a certain gender' and 'being transgendered'.

"Transgendered" can be offensive. The correct term is transgender.

As inconsiderate as this sounds, I do feel like a lot of people identify as trans or agender simply because it's what's in. A trans friend of mine used the term transtrending. Seeing people post about dysphoria when they don't have it is disgusting, but it's not my place to determine who is genuine, and I know plenty of people who genuinely experience horrible dysphoria.

It's also kinda interesting to me that I've never met a hetero trans person.

I find it to be frustrating to meet someone who identifies as a female, but looks just like every other normal guy on the street. I hate being offensive and calling them by the wrong thing, but if anyone chooses to identify themselves with a particular gender, I feel that maybe a smidgen of effort should go into altering their physical appearance to correspond with their decision.

I'm not saying that all Transgender people do this, but I have met a few too many TG folks who have put no effort into changing their looks, but get HIGHLY offended when you call them the wrong thing.

If they get offended instead of trying to correct you the first time you unintentionally misgender you, that's bad of them but you can understand them getting frustrated. However, they are not obliged to present themselves in any particular way whatsoever, and if they want to look like a "normal guy" as you so eloquently put it then they shall. Expecting somebody to "alter their physical appearance" for your own personal convenience is disgusting.

Slightly unrelated but if someone could inform me about intersex individuals and hermaphrodites (also whether that term is still acceptable and whether it's a slur or not) that would be great.

 

Posted Dec 17, '13 at 10:42am

MoonFairy

MoonFairy

3,221 posts

If they get offended instead of trying to correct you the first time you unintentionally misgender you, that's bad of them but you can understand them getting frustrated. However, they are not obliged to present themselves in any particular way whatsoever, and if they want to look like a "normal guy" as you so eloquently put it then they shall. Expecting somebody to "alter their physical appearance" for your own personal convenience is disgusting.

Please tell me where I said that I expected them to alter their physical appearance for my person convenience. I do believe I said " I feel that maybe a smidgen of effort...", and I don't think that constitutes as me expecting them to change everything just so I can call them by the right name. I don't jump down their throats when they get mad at me, I simply apologize for the misunderstanding and fix it.

But thank you for pointing out that I said "normal guy". I can see where that can be offensive and I do apologize.

 

Posted Dec 17, '13 at 11:08am

Stormslice

Stormslice

26 posts

I'm male and will always be, ok? I DO drive a truck, DO eat BBQ, and DO have big weapons that I like to use once in a while. I would like to meet a woman someday that wants to fit into the role that is passed out in the Bible as well. I fit very well into the mold that the BIBLE (and therefore God) created of caregiver, provider, and protector, so I want someone who will fit into the role of loving, respecting wife. Life is much simpler this way and I like simple.
I'm a hard-core Christian and I hold by the values that the forefathers of the United States had (which can be found in the Bible), not the values of the people in the country today. From what I can see, the country has been a one-man-one-woman country until recent years. Personally, I wish it had stayed that way.

 

Posted Dec 18, '13 at 2:13am

metalplastic

metalplastic

114 posts

Not sure but I think even Science is trying to figure out what triggers that gender bending (not the gender transforming but just the gender identity thing).
I'm sorry, I don't know the exact term of that.

 

Posted Dec 22, '13 at 4:39pm

chrystalfox

chrystalfox

19 posts

Slightly unrelated but if someone could inform me about intersex individuals and hermaphrodites (also whether that term is still acceptable and whether it's a slur or not) that would be great.

I assume you mean how it applies to Gender Identity? If that's the case, then it's quite simple. To put it simply, gender identity has nothing to do with the physical body. However, some individuals do feel that the physical anatomy affects them. Some parents have "corrective surgery" for their children, eliminating the unwanted genital. However, this could be confusing to the child, like someone with a penis having breasts, or someone with a vagina having an Adam's apple.  Or, it could go more into genetics, and mention individuals who have both XX and XY chromosomes.

These facts may make individuals more inclined to feel bigender (both male and female gender) or agender. This doesn't always have to be the case, however. As for the term hermaphrodite, its sort of a gray area. It used to be derogatory, much like queer was, and like the word queer, it's been "reclaimed" by the LGBT community, but not a lot of people understand that, so it's generally avoided.

 

Posted Dec 31, '13 at 2:40pm

OperationNilo

OperationNilo

2,044 posts

Gender Identity? Hmm. I have lots of thoughts on this topic. Therefore, my answer will be short (I don't want to confuse myself).

First things first, I uphold the natural order and will uphold it to my death. There's a reason why nature has always been around, you know. Because it works. Following this, I believe that if you were born XX, then you should behave as XX and not as an XY (and viceversa with XYs) because that's how you were literally programmed to be. You can thank your parents for that...or, more specifically, that little racer that bumped into the egg.

 

Posted Dec 31, '13 at 2:53pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,268 posts

First things first, I uphold the natural order and will uphold it to my death. There's a reason why nature has always been around, you know. Because it works. Following this, I believe that if you were born XX, then you should behave as XX and not as an XY (and viceversa with XYs) because that's how you were literally programmed to be. You can thank your parents for that...or, more specifically, that little racer that bumped into the egg.

But what of those that aren't "programmed" as such? Such as those with low levels of testosterone or estrogen (that is the female equivalent, correct?)?

 
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