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Posted Oct 10, '13 at 8:17pm

Sonatavarius

Sonatavarius

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I dunno which is theoretically more beneficial... Homeschool allows for personalized tutoring catered to the student's every need, but public school with really great teachers allows for the student to have more than one mental whet stone by which to sharpen their mind.... it also allows for a greater number and range of social opportunities.  Personally, I feel like the public school route is better.  I have several friends who were homeschooled in grade school in my medical school class and there really isn't much of a difference.  They have a few peculiar personality quirks, but then again everyone pretty much does if you look for them. 

I received my undergraduate education from a small private Southern Baptist institution.  The national average for getting into medical school is something like 25% of applicants each year (give or take)... My college boasts about an 85% acceptance rate for its graduates getting in (they pop out something like 200 degrees a year (also give or take)).  I'm sure that number is somewhat inflated somehow, but even if you cut that in half it's still a respectable number. 

I feel like it's not so much the institution as it is the student that determine's the fate of the student.  The best teachers in the world are going to have a hard time helping someone who just doesn't care.... and if the person cares they will move all of the mountains within their ability regardless of where they're at

I feel like No Child Left Behind is effectively "Every Child Left Behind" and that people are starting to think that everyone else should do the work for them.  There's a cartoon drawing somewhere that depicts a student-parent-teacher conference now and back in the day... the past encounter shows the kid's report card with an F and the parents are looking at the kid basically saying "WTF?"... the one regarding the present basically flips the situation and has them condemning the teacher.  I've witnessed that happen on multiple occasions where a student refused to any and all work and failed his/her senior year of high school, and that person expected to graduate and walk.  When the teacher didn't give them the grade they needed the teacher started receiving death threats from the person's family and stuff of that nature. 

It sounds somewhat cliche to say this but it is my opinion that students are starting to feel more and more entitled to certain things... like passing.. academically and their grades suffer for it.  ...and that is why I feel it's neither really public or private or home schooling that really makes a difference. It's more so the mindset of the student.

 

Posted Oct 10, '13 at 8:25pm

caiteyd13

caiteyd13

41 posts

I actually have friends who are home schooled and they are all so much smarter than any publicly schooled person I know. All public schools do each year is prepare you for state tests that you have to pass in order to graduate high school. In my opinion most of the things public schools teach we don't even need to know. As far as I'm concerned the only required subjects should be English and Math you should be able to choose other courses such as Science and History if you are interested in them. To me home schooled kids focus more on English and Math which I think should be the main subjects.

 

Posted Oct 10, '13 at 9:02pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

I must be honest, I'm a bit surprised with you, Declan. A bit of a liberal route you are taking here, eh?

How so?  I think people should be in charge of their own children, in stead of sending them into the state's hands.

Not gonna watch the video because I'm a rebel. Seriously, though, providing a single video for something as broad as this seems a little thin. I'd rather not constrain myself to the content shown, whatever it may be.

XD so freakin typical

What dangers? Like I said, I'm not going to watch the video, so I want you to explain to me in your own words how public and private schools could be considered dangerous.

Lol, you can watch the video.  I picked it because it's exactly how i feel.

Clown statement bro. I had a lot of buddies in the public school system, and people smearing excrements on the wall seems like less of a hassle than having a Jewish teacher. I went to high school in dixie, so catholics were actually a minority at my catholic school, but that doesn't change the message of the administration. A baptist guy teaching me trigonometry isn't going to impact my beliefs.

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear AT ALL with the whole jewish thing.  He's teaching my religion class....

Home schooling can offer a better education, but it can also result in a far worse education as well. It all depends on what the parents do. A kid who is receiving a well rounded education with parents or a tutor providing them with all the necessary material will likely do better than what you get from public schools. A kid being kept out of a public school because the parents don't want their kid learning certain things and wish to teach their own dogma will likely do worse overall.

I agree, some parents are total braindeads and couldn't teach a dog to roll over, but they shouldn't put the responsibility in the states hands.  If they don't care about their kids, then they shouldn't have kids.  If they care about their kids, they'll make sure they're giving the best education.  Some kids would do better homeschooled, some would do better public schooled, but the real problem is, the public schools aren't giving the kids the full experience they require to be individuals, and add something great to this world.

I actually have friends who are home schooled and they are all so much smarter than any publicly schooled person I know. All public schools do each year is prepare you for state tests that you have to pass in order to graduate high school. In my opinion most of the things public schools teach we don't even need to know. As far as I'm concerned the only required subjects should be English and Math you should be able to choose other courses such as Science and History if you are interested in them. To me home schooled kids focus more on English and Math which I think should be the main subjects.

You make a perfectly good point.  Why teach a child what the chemical makeup of salt is, when they wanna go into the army, or do absolutely anything aside from science?

I dunno which is theoretically more beneficial... Homeschool allows for personalized tutoring catered to the student's every need, but public school with really great teachers allows for the student to have more than one mental whet stone by which to sharpen their mind.... it also allows for a greater number and range of social opportunities.

Social opportunities? you mean bullying and being yelled at by teachers?  NOt all teachers are "great."  A child can get socialization through sports, and other extracurricular activities.

 

Posted Oct 10, '13 at 9:28pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,591 posts

You make a perfectly good point.  Why teach a child what the chemical makeup of salt is, when they wanna go into the army, or do absolutely anything aside from science?

Because it's important to understand how the world works. Physics especially is applicable in everyday life. Everyone should have a basic understand at the very least on the fundamentals, including the process by which we learn and prove our ideas.

The problem with public school is largely as mentioned. It's not focused on teaching students the material, but on getting them to remember it long enough to pass their tests and imparting test taking strategies. So many people forget the information after they finish the class because they never actually learned it/understood what was happening, they just memorized parts for a few days. What was the point?

 

Posted Oct 10, '13 at 11:08pm

hezdog

hezdog

143 posts

Once I'm on a computer I'll write more.

I live in New York(state not city). New York has the strictest education standards in the USA.

I think public school can be a very effective education when it is funded well enough. This funding does come out of tax payer pockets, but extreamly high quality public schools make only the richest people have the want for private school. Greater funding for the schools will make society a more equal place, the poor who might not be able to afford a good education can get that chance through good public school. The poor would be getting the same education as wealthier people and would have the same chances in life. When public schools are under funded poor people stay poor more often because of this.

 

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 12:31am

Nurvana

Nurvana

2,180 posts

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear AT ALL with the whole jewish thing.  He's teaching my religion class....

Well... that's a problem. Just because he's Jewish doesn't mean he doesn't have an understanding of the Catholic faith, and there may have been a hiring issue, however I'd have to imagine a Catholic school would have the ability to hire a Catholic theology teacher.

 

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 2:49am

Kasic

Kasic

5,591 posts

Well... that's a problem.

I'm not seeing why it's a problem. Theology is more than just Catholicism. It's better for people to not always hear things skewed in the way they're already brainwashed into believing.

 

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 2:57am

Nurvana

Nurvana

2,180 posts

Theology is more than just Catholicism.

Of course, but I'd imagine parents would want their children to learn about the Catholic faith in a Catholic school. I realize I said "theology", but it's not like the attitude of the people involved is to "learn of all religions", for better or worse. But on the other hand, there are more reasons than that to send a child to private school.

It's better for people to not always hear things skewed in the way they're already brainwashed into believing.

That just sounds like rhetoric to me. There's no telling what a Jewish theology teacher may say; as obligated by the school he might have nothing but a Catholic spin on things. Also keep in mind that this is a public school discussion, in which there isn't going to be any "skewing", per se.

 

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 3:07am

thebluerabbit

thebluerabbit

2,917 posts

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear AT ALL with the whole jewish thing.  He's teaching my religion class....

at first i agreed then i thought for a sec and i think its actually better for teachers of one religion to teach another one. you might be catholic so you wont get what im saying but if you had a catholic teacher he would teach that class as facts. while an atheist or any other religious person would probably teach it in an objective logical way. that will often give you more understanding on the subject and will not combine your personal opinions and feelings into it.

still... as others said... it shouldnt be too difficult for a catholic school to find a catholic religion teacher. then again... that might even more show how much of a good teacher that guy is no?

 

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 2:23pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,704 posts

Why? Don't regurgitate the stuff you saw in the video.

With the way the American Education System runs currently, we actually hinder creativity within students. The speaker in the video, Sir Ken Robinson, actually speaks a lot about this subject.

What dangers? Like I said, I'm not going to watch the video, so I want you to explain to me in your own words how public and private schools could be considered dangerous.

[you really should watch the video Sal]
As I've stated, it is destructive towards our creative side of our mind. To take an example from the video, if asked how many uses one can come up with for a paperclip..the education system now basically teaches a student to come up with ways for the paperclip that would pertain to how we commonly know of a paperclip (small and metallic object) rather than try to explore the boundaries of what constitutes as "paperclip" (can it be 250 feet tall and made out of rubber?).

How so?  I think people should be in charge of their own children, in stead of sending them into the state's hands.

Because this video advocates for a liberal education.

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear AT ALL with the whole jewish thing.  He's teaching my religion class....

Eh..I could see how one could find issue with that, but just because the teacher is of a different faith doesn't mean he/she can't teach the class properly.

You make a perfectly good point.  Why teach a child what the chemical makeup of salt is, when they wanna go into the army, or do absolutely anything aside from science?

This is to keep a society that is better equipped and better educated overall. Specializing too much can be more of a hindrance than a beneficial factor.

Social opportunities? you mean bullying and being yelled at by teachers?

Among other things..but yes. Allow the child to have experience with social settings, which will be experienced heavily once school is over.

A child can get socialization through sports, and other extracurricular activities.

The type of social interactions one receives through sports is hardly like the kind one receives outside of sports.

It's not focused on teaching students the material, but on getting them to remember it long enough to pass their tests and imparting test taking strategies.

Something I can personally back up. Especially for math. I hate not knowing why we use a certain formula or why it works. I hated my high school math, because they would teach the formula, when to use it, and then move on.

 
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