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"Why the arabs always lose?"

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 9:42am

danielo

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In the past 400 years it seem that the middle east armies as been, well, less then effective. The glorius army of the past, which defeated armies much larger and blow there enemies to there knees, cant even handle local uprisings.

Just a short list for examples:
Eygept -vs- Yemens rebels
Iraq -vs- huge mobs of Iranians kids
All the arabic nations -vs- Israel

I found some debates on this subject on the interweb, but i want to hear your ideas.

 

Posted Oct 11, '13 at 4:18pm

Freakenstein

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Except Afghanistan. The inhabitants have held out against several leading superpowers of its time since the Classical Era: Rome, Russia, Great Britain, and soon-to-be the USA (intervention has failed several times).

 

Posted Oct 13, '13 at 12:40pm

thepunisher93

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Afghans aint arabs.
The main reason for never having a victory now a days is that they have reverted to their past selves.
With the advent of Islam, came a unity in arabia which was never seen Before.
For they are people divided in clans and families from the dawn of time.
Even now badouin has a saying which goes like this

"Me againstmy brothers,Me and my brothers against my cousins, Me my cousins against the clan and my clan against the world."
This thing is called "Hamiya" in Arabic and the nearest englsh translation will be, loyalt to ones family or clan.
This division is the reason why Arabs are losing and it was the reason we lost in 1857 against brits.

 

Posted Oct 13, '13 at 2:06pm

danielo

danielo

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You say it is the dividing?

In many of the arabic armies, most of the high herirchey are friends and family of the ruling class, rather then by skills.

Also, i read in some site that another theory say that officers tend to keep thier "secrets" to themselves, thier tactics and knowldegh, so they will gain power by it, by being the best in that job, rather then teaching others.

By the way. Punisher - have you been in the army?

 

Posted Oct 14, '13 at 7:53am

thepunisher93

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By the way. Punisher - have you been in the army?

Always wanted to, passed everything but the eye sight test.
That was a bummer.
 

Posted Oct 14, '13 at 3:30pm

danielo

danielo

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I know that feeling bro...

 

Posted Oct 15, '13 at 10:24am

mbbs112

mbbs112

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Well as Punished said there have been lots of divisions such as different muslims like Shias,Sunnis Etc.So thats why they lose

 

Posted Oct 15, '13 at 1:51pm

danielo

danielo

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During 1947 there was some sort of unitt and yet the arab world have lost.

 

Posted Oct 15, '13 at 10:52pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

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During 1947 there was some sort of unitt and yet the arab world have lost.

No there was not, every shiek and leader was in war party for his own agenda.
 

Posted Oct 16, '13 at 4:33pm

danielo

danielo

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You are right.

Even more, inside the ranks of the arab armies there was this massive rivalrt over prestige and power. Not to mentio the Palestinian militia, who literalu fought each other in some occasions.

 
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