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Posted Nov 11, '13 at 8:58pm

Devoidless

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So how does everyone like the new system for commenting on YouTube videos? Well, that is assuming you have a Google+ account. Otherwise you might as well not comment.
But hey, they did it for a reason! To cut down on trolls by making people use the G+ account tied to their real name! Providing that they don't make a G+ account with a false name. Yet who would do that?
Now, you can see comments that are from people in your circles and celebrities! I know, I know. Right now the top comments are just spambots, links to screamers, porn, ASCII spam and viruses. Who doesn't love that?

Who thought this system was ever going to be a good idea? The comments on YouTube weren't perfect, yet they were nowhere near this bad. In the old system, the character limit on comments kept people from posting stupid long and pointless spam messages. In the old system, you couldn't post links because of spambots, links to screamers, porn, ASCII spam and viruses. In the old system, you weren't notified of someone else responding to a comment to replied to.
As it is, my eardrums have almost been shattered by links to screamers. I've also seen more than my fair share as ASCII genitalia and mega-scroll spam. My inbox is being flooded with messages about someone not even replying to me. I wish I could just turn comments off all together and save myself the pain.

What do you all think?

 

Posted Nov 11, '13 at 9:48pm

jeol

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I have a Google+ account, but I have somehow to this day managed not to link them, or to link Google+ and my Youtube account at all. I think I managed to get around not getting a G+ account and still post a comment since the new comment system went up recently... I forget how that worked though.

I know it was all for good intents and purposes, but they got rid of some vital functionality that revolved around the Youtube communities that actually existed, as opposed to the social networking crap that for some reason is considered popular and the good way to do things. I understand connectivity, but eventually we won't be able to see anything anybody posts from anywhere other than our little circles. Finding new things will be reduced to actually have to go out and specifically find content, which it being the Internet, will almost certainly not happen.

That's not absolutist, of course. You can now choose to see the 'newest first' for comments, which is closer to what was but is an extra click away. You can still reply and up- or down-vote, though that's not true for all comments. I suspect this has to do with whether the user actually has a G+ page, or they're private, or some stupid thing like that... Anyways, with all of these changes to what you see, how you see it, and where you find it, I feel it produces irony in its own statement, "promotes discussion." Internet discussion has always been told to be pointless and stupid, though for the sake of discussion (because why not), you tend to be not able to reply to the people you want to, and - especially if this social networking key becomes absolute - eventually you won't be able to reply to people of differing viewpoints at all (depending on who is in your circles). It hardly can be free thinking and discussing if you aren't even allowed outside of your own bubble.

And finally, the anonymity. I understand the intent - I actually had to write a paper on the subject this year for my computer science seminar course. It will be a long time before people and their identities will be completely bound together. For that reason, people will always find a way to remain anonymous, for good reasons or for bad. Since there are those people who exploit it, it will always be shown in that bad light, but if you want to apply heavy use of argument, you could just use one acronym: NSA.

As it is, my eardrums have almost been shattered by links to screamers. I've also seen more than my fair share as ASCII genitalia and mega-scroll spam. My inbox is being flooded with messages about someone not even replying to me. I wish I could just turn comments off all together and save myself the pain.

Really? I haven't really gotten any messages from Youtube since the roll, but then again, I've only ever commented once.

 

Posted Nov 11, '13 at 10:56pm

Devoidless

Devoidless

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Really? I haven't really gotten any messages from Youtube since the roll, but then again, I've only ever commented once.

It's more of an issue if your G+ account is tied to your YouTube account. Mine is, simply because of a shady thing Google did ages ago. If you had a gmail account and signed into it one day, they would show you the confirmation page that you would of seen countless times. Normally, it's just a page about "Add you wireless number to retrieve information yada yada yada".
However! That page instead was a "Click here to make a Google+ account". So loads of people made G+ accounts by mistake. Yet that's not the matter at hand.

The problem with the email flood is/was an 'error' where any mail that would normally go to your G+ email went to your YT email (if the two accounts were connected). Now for me, and a good amount of other people, those two emails are exactly the same due to aforementioned trickery. So for each reply in a thread you made/replied to you get an update. Which can be super annoying if the thread you commented it gets hundreds of replies.
At one point, I had 48 notifications about the current 'discussion' being updated. Out of those 48 notifications, exactly zero were directed towards me.

 

Posted Nov 12, '13 at 12:21am

pangtongshu

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But hey, they did it for a reason! To cut down on trolls by making people use the G+ account tied to their real name! Providing that they don't make a G+ account with a false name. Yet who would do that?

You could always change your name back to a more "youtube-y" name after making the account. Not sure why Google wants to make everyone public like this though...

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Posted Nov 12, '13 at 5:29am

Reton8

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I remember a lot of YouTubers complaining about the old comment system. But, I feel that this new comment system is not the fix the YouTubers were looking for.

My question is what happened to the top comments?

Yes, the old system for top comment was flawed, but I usually got a quick laugh (or spam ad) out of the top two comments, even if they weren't the actual "top" comment. (I have seen comments with far more thumbs up than the top comment, that were not the top comment, in the old system.)

YouTube or Google now claims that your Google+ circles, celebrities, and highly rated (thumbed up) comments will appear at the top of the comment section, when sorting by "top comment". For some videos this is the case, but more often than not the top comments seem to have no rhyme or reason. None of them will be thumbed up and none of them will be from celebrities or other famous YouTubers. (I am often not logged in so it definitely won't be Google+ circles or friends either)

In the old system, the character limit on comments kept people from posting stupid long and pointless spam messages.

YouTube does seem to hide most of the longer comments automatically, but I agree that character limit is too much.

(Want to see a problem with YouTube's new comment section? Want to see a problem with YouTube's new comment section? Want to see a problem with YouTube's new comment section?...)

 

Posted Nov 12, '13 at 3:48pm

OperationNilo

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My question is what happened to the top comments?

Yes, the old system for top comment was flawed, but I usually got a quick laugh (or spam ad) out of the top two comments, even if they weren't the actual "top" comment. (I have seen comments with far more thumbs up than the top comment, that were not the top comment, in the old system.)

This.

 

Posted Nov 12, '13 at 4:58pm

Salvidian

Salvidian

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Frank told me G+ was butthurt about not being popular so Google tied it with their most popular product. Or something along those lines. I remember "butthurt" being used somewhere.

 

Posted Nov 12, '13 at 5:19pm

Gamer_Cale

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1,414 posts

The amount of jump scare links in the comments is enough to make me hate it.

 

Posted Nov 12, '13 at 6:39pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

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(I have seen comments with far more thumbs up than the top comment, that were not the top comment, in the old system.)

From my understanding, top comments seemed to be based not on how many thumbs up you had, but how many thumbs up you were getting in a certain period of time* (say, like, 2 weeks or so, an estimate). So after a while a top comment with, say, 250 thumbs up would be replaced by one with 100 because the one with the 100 was getting 10 times the amount per day.

 

Posted Nov 13, '13 at 9:29am

Reton8

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I just want to restate myself. The old video comment system's top two comments usually gave me a decent laugh or said something that I could agree with about the video. It was flawed but at least, at the very least, the comments were usually highly thumbed up and gave me a laugh. Now look at this.

This is what Google (and YouTube) have to say about how top comments work:

Comments you care about show first. You’ll see comments at the top of the list from people in your Google+ Circles, from creators, and from popular personalities. Comments with many likes and replies will rank highly as well. Choose Newest First to see the most recent comments instead. Replies are threaded (like Gmail) so you can easily follow conversations.

Here's a look at some top comments:
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a627/Reton8/AG%20Image%20Uploads/AG%20Misc/Untitled-1.png

It's sorted by top comment, but the thumbs up don't seem to be much a factor.
1 thumb up, 7 thumbs up, 1 thumb up, no thumbs up, no thumbs up, 1 thumb up, 5 thumbs up, 4 thumbs up.

How is that in any order. Like I said, I'm not logged into Google+, so they aren't people in my Google+ circles. None of those commenters are YouTube celebrities (popular personalities), or Google+ celebrities (popular personalities), most of the comments don't have a reply (so replies aren't factoring in much), and it's obviously not sorted by the number of thumbs up.

My only guess is the algorithm puts users with more subscribers or higher amounts of friends (or circles) on Google+ higher, because the the YouTube comments algorithm  now factors in "popular personalities".It's like a user with 100 more subscribers and a comment with 0 thumbs up is getting a higher ranked comment than a user with 15 subscribers and a comment with 10 thumbs up.

The top comment algorithm is flawed in two areas. I don't care what "popular personalities" have to say, especially when I don't know who those "popular personalities" are. I don't want replies to push a comment higher on the list either. Comments with a lot of replies are often just arguments between two people and are rarely  worthy of a top comment spot. Going by how the top comments have been sorted now (and the image above), the new algorithm isn't working well.

 
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