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'Knighthood': What is a 'Knight'? And what does 'Knighthood' mean?

'Knighthood' and the title 'Knight' is bestowed upon a user that has shown exemplary deeds and outstanding behavior as a member of the Armor Games Community. This exclusive title is only granted to those users that have earned a special place among the citizens of the Kingdom.

How do I become a Knight?

Care about the community and other users and catch the eye of moderators or admins, they are the ones who choose who is Knighted. Don't ask to be Knighted, that's a good way not to be Knighted.

What can Knights do?

-They have access to a Knight-only Forum.
-They have access to Knight-only armatars
-Special forum coloring and badge.
-Knight Gilding

I'll add more to this sticky if there are further Questions.

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pangtongshu
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R2 has a point, people were knighted for what they did not because of what they are doing or will do. To add to that, they have always kept the reasons for people being knighted so broad that there will never be a specific reason for it, thus the reason why some knights don't have that many posts/comments/merits.

All these points do is point out how severely flawed the knighting system is..not defend it.
When Ernie was made knight, he was active and had been doing as he had been for quite some time. Granted, he is now an inactive knight and while I don't feel great about it, it is far better than a knight being made -after- they had already become inactive (note: knights knighted for being ex mods are a different case, for obvious reasons).

And as Matt pointed out, as things have progressed knighthood has turned into a glorified merit/blessing with unnecessary added benefits. At this point in time, being a knight either means you were an mod for the site at one point, or you are just a glorified beta tester.

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Okay let me just try to defend what I had said earlier.

- Reasons for knighting were always broad, meaning having a high stats was never always a reason to knight someone. Meaning Verwaltung's stats don't matter.

- Knighthood, rewarded for major contributions in the past because we(users and admins) don't know what people will do, and we(users and admins) will still judge what they are doing.

- if you think about it this way, if a soldier dies fighting for his country, it's still possible to honor him for what he did. If a user becomes inactive, why is it wrong to knight him if his past doings still exist? Look at it at that perspective, not saying it's the only way to look at it though, and I understand all your perspectives.

The system will always have flaws, let's face it. Certainty in who gets knighted was never a thing. You could predict it, but never know for sure because the reasons why users are knighted are left pretty vague, hence my point.

Please look at my post only as another point of view or to further defend my own argument, and not to counter argue anyone's arguments.

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I still vote for pangtongshu to be Knighted, only because i remember him from 2 years ago, and he is still as active as he was back then. The rest of you? i don't remember you at all. None of you made much impresion on me except @Pangtongshu and @Ferret c: Those 2 are the best

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Reasons for knighting were always broad, meaning having a high stats was never always a reason to knight someone. Meaning Verwaltung's stats don't matter.

According to the title, Knights "are the elite of Armor Games." Present tense, not past. They are also "noble contributors and exemplary citizens." The description does not say they "were" contributors and citizens. Considering your stats display how much time you spend on AG and what you are doing while you are here, they do matter. Someone who does not spend much time here and does hardly anything is not an exemplary citizen.

Knighthood, rewarded for major contributions in the past because we(users and admins) don't know what people will do, and we(users and admins) will still judge what they are doing.

I'm not asking you to predict the future here. As for judging what they are doing, that's what we're doing right now. I am judging what he is doing: nothing.

if you think about it this way, if a soldier dies fighting for his country, it's still possible to honor him for what he did. If a user becomes inactive, why is it wrong to knight him if his past doings still exist? Look at it at that perspective, not saying it's the only way to look at it though, and I understand all your perspectives.

That's an award. There is a difference, okay? I have made it very, very clear, and I will do so one more time.

Knighthood is a promotion. That means you are still doing things.

A Blessing is an award. That means you did something noteworthy in the past.

Now compare those two and decide which applies to previous moderators and contributors who are no longer active.

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Now we've come to an even more serious problem, as has been hinted at in this thread. I have been assuming that knighthood is The promotion of an outstanding member who has been and is active in dough something particularly well. As I understand it from your statements, knighthood is just s stamp on someone who did something at least once whenever it was.
Yes, like any good figurehead title ought to be.

- Knighthood, rewarded for major contributions in the past because we(users and admins) don't know what people will do, and we(users and admins) will still judge what they are doing.
That's the issue here. His contributions are high-quality, but relatively little as of yet. For longtime users, it's a bit like giving an enviable position with double salary and light workload to a newly-hired intern instead of the people who have been loyal to the firm for years, just because he did such spectacular work in his first few weeks on the job.

According to the title, Knights "are the elite of Armor Games." Present tense, not past. They are also "noble contributors and exemplary citizens." The description does not say they "were" contributors and citizens. Considering your stats display how much time you spend on AG and what you are doing while you are here, they do matter. Someone who does not spend much time here and does hardly anything is not an exemplary citizen.
I think you may be reading too much into the flavour text here.

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Some things I hope we can all agree on:
1 Verwaltung's promotion was premature to at least some extent.
2 The contributions that he has made are worthy of recognition.
3 The admin/mods cannot, in all fairness, redact a promotion solely due to its being issued prematurely or with less-than-ideal judgement.
4 Nothing will be achieved by further quarreling over this.
5 The most satisfactory conclusion for all parties is that more thorough deliberation is given to the promotion of future Knights and Verwaltung's case be made the exception to the rule.

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@MattEmAngel , sorry but no one had the idea of making a quest and naming it "Knight's blessing" for the sole purpose of setting a difference between general outstanding contributors and people who offered the site a lot in the past (this quest is a recent thing). As you may have noticed, The "Knight's blessing" is left intentionally vague. Though giving it to a member for a single outstanding contribution in the past makes sense, I believe the reason you are thinking this way is because most "Knight's blessings" were handed out in this matter.

However, if you look at it closely, there is nothing here specifically stating the difference between the two.

Also, an award can be given for continued outstanding services too.

Though I do agree on the doubts about Verwaltung's promotion, I am just trying to set some facts straight here.

Besides, even if you look at it this way, knight's blessing wasn't even a thing before, what? March 2015? The past mods were already rewarded with knighthood as were past admins. So what was going to happen? Even though Mods and admins have the power to award the blessing, don't forget it is given solely by knights!

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Thanks for all the feedback everybody. I think there are some valid points being brought up on both sides of this discussion, but at this exact moment we're not ready to act/announce anything while tempers are hot. We'll be discussing this among moderators. Anything further that needs to be said about the matter can be directed at Ferret@ArmorGames.com.

I hope we can all celebrate the Knighting of @SirLegendary, it shouldn't get lost in all this.

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I hope we can all celebrate the Knighting of @SirLegendary, it shouldn't get lost in all this.

Yep, to the tavern everyone, the drinks are on me!
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3 The admin/mods cannot, in all fairness, redact a promotion solely due to its being issued prematurely or with less-than-ideal judgement.

Nor has anyone been making such a statement.

4 Nothing will be achieved by further quarreling over this

A better knight system that actually gives knights a purpose, whether literally or metaphorically, maybe.

5 The most satisfactory conclusion for all parties is that more thorough deliberation is given to the promotion of future Knights and Verwaltung's case be made the exception to the rule.

Or that they actually state the reasons behind their thoughts, so knights aren't just, as I stated, glorified beta testers anymore. Hell, having users be a part of the knighting process could do wonders.

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Aww thanks @Ferret Good to wake up to this kind of notification in my email!

To the tavern then?

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As @SSTG said! Aye! To the tavern @SirLegendary!

I'd like a nice pint o' Guiness bartender!

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So...any conclusions made yet?

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Let's leave it for now and enjoy SirLegendary's knighting!

Over which I just set the Tavern on fire wouldn't you know...

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I mean you can leave it for now, but I'd like there to be a fix for such a flawed system.

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@pangtongshu I'll quote @Ferret on this...

Thanx for all the feedback everybody. I think there are some valid points being brought up on both sides of this discussion, but at this exact moment we're not ready to act/announce anything while tempers are hot. We'll be discussing this among moderators. Anything further that needs to be said about the matter can be directed at Ferret@ArmorGames.com.

I hope we can all celebrate the Knighting of @SirLegendary, it shouldn't get lost in all this. 

So, if you want to discuss this further, please email Ferret about it, ok? Thanx.

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