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Posted Jan 23, '14 at 11:35pm

themastaplaya

themastaplaya

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I wasn't differing with your point.

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 12:39am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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Apparently smart people can't be cops in some places.

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 12:47am

themastaplaya

themastaplaya

662 posts

Apparently smart people can't be cops in some places.

That's because the government wants mindless drones that carry out their orders without question, not thinking and rational individuals that will refuse to carry out inhuman/outrageous orders.

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 1:08am

MattEmAngel

MattEmAngel

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That's because the government wants mindless drones that carry out their orders without question, not thinking and rational individuals that will refuse to carry out inhuman/outrageous orders.

That's essentially what the military does anyway. You become government property and you are expected to follow orders, regardless of what they are. It's not all that surprising to find that the same applies to cops.

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 1:18am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,978 posts

That's essentially what the military does anyway.

The difference is that the military doesn't turn away smarter people.

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 1:29am

MattEmAngel

MattEmAngel

4,649 posts

The difference is that the military doesn't turn away smarter people.

Probably because the military is generally deployed out of the country, fighting terrorists and communists and "bad guys" (because that's what everyone believes). It's easier to convince a soldier to shoot a man if that man is holding an AK-47. Back in the states, where the "soldiers" are around Americans and are living in much more comfortable conditions, the enemy is much less prominent. You need less intelligent "drones" to carry out the messy stuff, such as attacking and killing potential civilians.

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 1:53am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,978 posts

Probably because the military is generally deployed out of the country,

How about the National Guard then?

It's easier to convince a soldier to shoot a man if that man is holding an AK-47. Back in the states, where the "soldiers" are around Americans and are living in much more comfortable conditions, the enemy is much less prominent.

I don't get how this is a good reason to only hire people of average mental capacity.

potential civilians.

"If a person consistently reads and advocates the views expressed in a civilian publication, he may be a civilian."

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 2:26am

Kasic

Kasic

5,572 posts

I don't get how this is a good reason to only hire people of average mental capacity.

You have to think in conspiracy theory logic.

The reason they gave was this: "The theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training."

In other words, they see policing as menial work that does not require intelligence. Questionable, given that you're entrusting these people to uphold the law and protect you, but certainly not on the order of previously suggested motives...

What bothers me more is that 125 is considered too intelligent. 125 isn't that high. Although I consider 100 stupid, so 125 is pretty much what I think of as "passably not an idiot" on a general level.

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 10:30am

09philj

09philj

1,146 posts

How is it that the people we employ to protect us can get away with disgusting acts of savagery like that?

The same way as neighbourhood watchmen get away with shooting random black people.

are expected to follow orders, regardless of what they are

This seems very open to abuse...

 

Posted Apr 8, '14 at 12:52pm

MattEmAngel

MattEmAngel

4,649 posts

How about the National Guard then?

They have still been trained through boot camp to obey orders.

I don't get how this is a good reason to only hire people of average mental capacity.

The military doesn't have a cap on intelligence because, for one, it has a multitude of divisions and some require higher intelligence, and two, they are shooting/killing enemies. Like i just said, it's easier to convince someone to shoot another person when that person is a non-American with an assault rifle, regardless of that person's intelligence. "You have to shoot him before he shoots you."

A police officer on the other hand is not shooting foreigners with machine guns. They are Americans living in America. The phrase "you have to shoot him before he shoots you" is harder to live by when the enemy could be an unarmed schizophrenic (Kelly Thomas). A more intelligent man would be less likely to go over and beat him to death. I'm not saying being a police officer isn't stressful or dangerous. I'm saying that the "follow orders, no matter what they are" rule is harder to enforce, which calls for, apparently, less intelligent people.

If you have a better explanation for why the police force won't accept smart people, I'd like to hear it, because their reason (which is, according to Kasic, "The theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training") is weak, unsupported and probably made up. "The theory" and "could" are hardly evidence.

"If a person consistently reads and advocates the views expressed in a civilian publication, he may be a civilian."

Your point? I'm saying that they failed to stop and consider that their enemy, who is a threat to their life and needs to be shot, just might be an unarmed civilian.

 
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