I honestly don't know what much to say, so I will try my best. Do excuse me if I'm not being a bit jumpy or skirt, the past couple of days have been interesting for me.
As we all know, Devoidless is not a mod anymore. There has been a situation in which I, and a few other users, were able to witness. If there was more before this, I am unaware, but based off of what we were able to view, I strongly disagree with the act of demodding him.
It was confirmed, on an unrelated note, that the chat this all happened in was 3rd party to AG, and thus statements in there were not to be reflected upon us on AG. However, it would seem, the same standards were not held for Devoidless (as far as I am aware).
Devoidless said some things. Were they pleasant things? Not necessarily so. But given the established fact that the chat was unrelated to AG, that should not have reflected upon him. Nor, in fact, does what he said and his viewpoints reflect his ability as a moderator.
Do I agree with all that was said? Not particularly, no. But he has a right to speak his mind, with given how he was on a site unrelated to Armorgames. Even more so, it would seem Devoidless being vocal was only out of concern for AG, to try to offer some criticism he viewed as valuable, albeit in the normal Devoidless manner that has been established these past 5-6 years.
I don't know. What I know is that my information is limited, and given what I do know I disagree with Devoidless demodding.
Excuse me for such a seemingly half-assed thread, things for me have been stressful...
[All what has been stated corresponds solely with what information I am aware of and were made aware of based upon my own actions.]
This is far more then what your discussing, and no normal user has a full picture. I've already stated to you before, and will state again - this will not be discussed further by admins or moderators until we discuss it privately.
Currently, the only reason is because of conduct in a website unrelated to ArmorGames.
The point of the removal of ArmorGames's chats in June 2008 was that Moderators and Admins could not adequately moderate it, and that it was a third party chat system (Meebo) embedded in the site. This spawned third party chatrooms on other websites, the most famous being CountingTime and now ForumGamesAlliance.
These third-party websites are not under AG's TOS, nor do they have any credibility towards linking names to accounts on ArmorGames.
But, why assume that this is in any way related to any such incident?
It's hard and unwise to explain without a decent contextual basis. But, as I said, I won't be sharing any opinions here. And I don't think anyone else should either.
It was confirmed, on an unrelated note, that the chat this all happened in was 3rd party to AG, and thus statements in there were not to be reflected upon us on AG.
You still carry the status with you no matter where you go and therefore have to act accordingly.
I agree 100% with daleks. Everyone here is missing the point; it isn't about where you were, it's about what you said, and how it reflects your position.
This coincides with the goings-on of the FGA chat.
Yes, thanks, Sal, so it had started dawning on me by now. It's a realm largely unknown to me, and invisible, I think (? Or else I just don't understand its workings.)
And I'll agree again: AG I've seen before to be surprisingly forthcoming with these matters (with such public commenting, I mean). But having been on both sides of the fence, I can only assume such decisions -- regarding members or fellow team workers -- are never taken lightly.
It isn't for us to judge (and me personally, I've been here for too short and so my view is too limited, anyway). For or against, discussing it can only lead to grief.
So, I'm sorry for and about Devoidless. But also sorry for the team. Best with it, to all involved.
If I volunteer at a fire department, and I go to a different fire department and let them all know how much I hate my fire chief, does my fire chief have no right to demote me, because I'm not on my own department's property?
We don't have some inherent right to be able to know what it is they are working on, and frankly, if they don't want to tell us then they don't have to.
If I volunteer at a fire department, and I go to a different fire department and let them all know how much I hate my fire chief, does my fire chief have no right to demote me, because I'm not on my own department's property?
The issue really isn't the AG TOS. It's the unlinkability of actions. Treat it like identity theft. IP addresses are not hard to fool.
