Forums

ForumsWorld Events, Politics, Religion, Etc.

Feminism: Is it really celebrated?

Posted May 16, '14 at 3:27am

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,175 posts

EDIT: I didn't post this to talk about Frozen guys (ok, maybe a little), but more to discuss the overall topic of Feminism as represented in media.

Ok, so I don't know if this is the wrong forum, so, here we go.

I was browsing the internet for a while and googled "Frozen" just for the hell of it. I then found a Time article, which mentioned "7 reasons frozen dominates your life" (or something like that), which contained a section in the last reason talking about the debate over whether or not the feminist themes in the movie are worth celebrating.

Now, since I first watched the movie ~1.5 months ago, I've held the opinion that the portrayal of the MALE characters in comparison to the FEMALE characters was slightly sexist. As honest trailers puts it "it teaches girls everywhere, they don't need a prince to rescue them, because every guy is a disgusting loner, greedy murderer, and lying power-hungry sociopath" (also, Wandering Oaken was somewhat of a simpleton, but that's excusable). I do feel that the characterization (or lack of it) was largely responsible for this, and the film could have benefited from a slightly longer run-time.

Anyway, back to the original topic. When I saw these links, I decided to check them out and see if other people shared similar views. I ended up reading (in full) this article, which is basically an in-depth breakdown of why Frozen shouldn't be hailed as a feminist beacon.

Anyway, I'm kind of tired right now, but the points seem well-written and defended logically, so I ask you. Do you think that feminism can be inserted into situations it doesn't fit just to profit? Do you think that people grasp at straws just to make themselves appear better than others? (another point on this, wandering oaken is seen as homosexual because of the view of his family including one large male three definite children, and one petite character who may or may not be his wife) Is media really the beacon of hope we all think it is?

This is Darth Caedus, your friendly neighborhood lurker, and I'll be back tomorrow to hear your thoughts and formulate my own.

~~~Darth Caedus


last edited May 18 2014 01:01 am by Jacen96
 

Posted May 17, '14 at 4:12pm

ellock

ellock

393 posts

Do you think that feminism can be inserted into situations it doesn't fit just to profit? Do you think that people grasp at straws just to make themselves appear better than others?

Pft! Can and ARE inserted into anything. I can't tell you how sick I am of hearing people babble on about how Frozen is so revolutionary and completely pro women and amazing yada yada yada. If I hear one more person singing the praise song "let it go" like it is there life motto, I will violently attack them until they can not longer belittle the human race by spewing their nonsense.
1) Frozen is not about feminist movements OR gay rights. It is a childrens movie, stop reading into it so much.
2) Feminism will probably still use it as a motto; as will the gay community. There is nothing wrong with that, but don't open your mouth and sing Let it go in my vicinity. I have a 6 year old sister, I hear it about 30 times a day (not kidding).
3) That little family is not homosexual... it is too taboo of a topic still and disney would not put that in their movies. Could you imagine the uproar? People freaked when Katy Perry's background dancer wore a necklace that said "allah"... an openly gay couple in a disney movie would hospitalize some people.
4) I agree that this movie does portray men in an interesting light, but I think that is refreshing from the heroic ones we always see in those movies. So I don't have a problem with it.
5) For the love of God, Elsa is not LESBIAN! Just because she does not want a prince does not automatically make her lesbian. This is not a anti-gay/lesbian post, it is just illogical to assume someone is one sexuality just because they don't have a boyfriend. Under that logic, I would be Asexual because I have never been in a romantic relationship... when in reality I think it is stupid to force myself into one, so I wait. Elsa could just not want a BF at that time, or she could be lesbian (almost positive she isn't because this is a disney movie, but to each his own)

That is my two cents.
 

Posted May 17, '14 at 4:37pm

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,175 posts

I dislike your comment on "Let it Go", it is more than just a song about feminism and homosexuality (in fact, I think defining it in just those two areas is wrong), rather it represents the idea that you should be yourself, and taken separate from the movie, is a powerful message. (in the movie, its about Elsa running away from her problems again).

The rest I kinda agree on, this article actually makes a lot of logical sense.

p.s. I prefer to let em burn

~~~Darth Caedus

 

Posted May 18, '14 at 12:43am

Kennethhartanto

Kennethhartanto

248 posts

I feel that everyone is really overacting on a simple child's movie. but in my opinion, i like Frozen because it has a pretty nice graphics and music. It has NOTHING to do with lesbian and homosexuality, people!

 

Posted May 18, '14 at 4:27am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,706 posts

Knight

It doesn't matter that it was never intended to be such a symbol, so long as enough people take it to be vociferously, and eventually the mindset entrenches itself.

Anyway here, take a breather.

 

Posted May 19, '14 at 8:54am

roydotor2000

roydotor2000

306 posts

Well, some people whine for a hidden agenda like gaining money by complaining that some games are misogynistic.

Btw, if you are wondering that i wasn't active for a long time because i got screwed really bad in the wwIII theory debate. It felt like this "Oh, you don't know nothing! You should shut up."

 

Posted May 19, '14 at 9:02am

roydotor2000

roydotor2000

306 posts

I dislike your comment on "Let it Go", it is more than just a song about feminism and homosexuality (in fact, I think defining it in just those two areas is wrong), rather it represents the idea that you should be yourself, and taken separate from the movie, is a powerful message. (in the movie, its about Elsa running away from her problems again).


Like break your vow and be a hypocrite?
 

Posted May 19, '14 at 7:44pm

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,175 posts

Like break your vow and be a hypocrite?
What?

Are you saying I am being a hypocrite? Because a song can have multiple meanings depending on context.

Following the song means being a hypocrite? Not at all, its about ignoring the prejudices and expectations of others and letting it go and being yourself.

~~~Darth Caedus
 

Posted May 19, '14 at 8:54pm

roydotor2000

roydotor2000

306 posts

Are you saying I am being a hypocrite?


Not you! I was referring to Elsa, because she said she won't reveal her powers until she got pushed by her, well, darn sister.
 

Posted May 20, '14 at 12:04am

Kennethhartanto

Kennethhartanto

248 posts

Like break your vow and be a hypocrite?


this comment clearly implied who's the hypocrite, which is Jacen. you should add more sentences that explain who the hypocrite is, so no one got the wrong idea.

Not you! I was referring to Elsa, because she said she won't reveal her powers until she got pushed by her, well, darn sister.


In my opinion, what the director wanted to express is being free from the clutches of civilization. Which is not hypocritical if you think what would an "outcast" that are isolated from others like 3 years and then in a few days get to rule a kingdom which once isolated her
 
Reply to Feminism: Is it really celebrated?

You must be logged in to post a reply!