Forums

ForumsWorld Events, Politics, Religion, Etc.

The Israel and Palestine War

Posted Sep 3, '14 at 2:37pm

DaGoblin

DaGoblin

49 posts

I don't get what you mean. What would be a smart response in your eyes to the rockets?

Glad you agree about the proportions of the response though. Again, don't take my word for it. Ask any Israel who served how the army works in these situation he will give you the same answers.


last edited Sep 03 2014 02:44 pm by DaGoblin
 

Posted Sep 3, '14 at 6:41pm

09philj

09philj

2,782 posts

The Israelis have access to a really efficiant anti-missile system, called the Iron Dome. They do not need to deploy that much force relative to the threat missiles pose.

 

Posted Sep 3, '14 at 7:54pm

DaGoblin

DaGoblin

49 posts

First, you can say 'you' not 'they'

Its VERY expensive missiles. Its also not deployed everywhere and its not perfect. That's why people died from these rocket/missile attacks.

Now without mentioning the mortar fires that are impossible for Iron Dome to intercept, there's the attack tunnels. If you heard of these you would know there was no other option then to invade Gaza by land and destroy them all.


last edited Sep 03 2014 07:55 pm by DaGoblin
 

Posted Sep 4, '14 at 3:10am

09philj

09philj

2,782 posts

Military intervention only helps in the short term. In the long term, it just makes those who oppose Israel more popular.

 

Posted Sep 4, '14 at 8:27am

DaGoblin

DaGoblin

49 posts

Im guessing you didn't hear about the attack tunnels. Inside Gaza soldiers found dousens of attack tunnels leading to all sort of places including many Israeli villages. Captured militants say they planned a big attack on a holiday. Thousands of militants going through the tunnels all at once, killing everyone they find. I don't even want to imagine how that would work out.

Aside from that, with all respect to the Gazan opinion I don't think not responding would make them less hostile in the short term. Not when Hamas and Hamas's propaganda is at use. And letting them bomb us freely and give our lives on silver plates is out of the question for any rational society.


last edited Sep 04 2014 08:29 am by DaGoblin
 

Posted Sep 4, '14 at 11:58am

09philj

09philj

2,782 posts

I'm not suggesting there is a long term solution (I don't think there is.). Personally, I think it's going to be either an endless war, or you'll all go out in one blaze of whatever you call the opposite of glory. But I can see the flaws in the current philosophy that make the endless war scenario more likely. (Of course, that would be better than your total destruction)

 

Posted Sep 4, '14 at 12:29pm

DaGoblin

DaGoblin

49 posts

Hope that won't happen. We managed top pull off peace with Jordan, Egypt and USA took care of Iraq so all that's left is Lebanon, Syria and the Palestinians (Iran is a different story).
I'd like to think its achievable but there will always be radicals.

 

Posted Sep 4, '14 at 5:01pm

09philj

09philj

2,782 posts

USA took care of Iraq


Have you been watching the news at all?
 

Posted Sep 4, '14 at 8:35pm

DaGoblin

DaGoblin

49 posts

That's a serious accusation :\

Since USA invaded Iraq and Sadame was gone the Iraqi active war against Israel stopped. Before that Iraq joined the rest of the Arab armies in the big Invasions of Israel in the major wars and even shot missiles at us from all the way over Syria. Its anything but peaceful now but for us its one of the major hostile Arab armies gone.


last edited Sep 04 2014 08:36 pm by DaGoblin
 

Posted Sep 5, '14 at 8:05am

danielo

danielo

1,780 posts

@09philj The Chamberline tactics again? Sit back, enjoy a pint and let the all mess end by itself?

6 years ago Hamas was on the way to destruction. they were not armed as they are today, and not well trained like they are today. But you stopped us from finishing it back then. You cried "You are killing them!!!" and begged and cursed and threatend us to freeze things up, because its hurt your feelings to see dead peopels on the news. On the other hands, when Hamas shot mortars and rockets at Israel for 8{!!!!!!} years in a row sicne 2004, and Israel did nothing, You also said nothing.

But lets put it off for now, and examine your tactics. You suggest 2 options:
1) full occupation of Gaza. Today they are an autonomous state, governed by Hamas {Who execute Palestinians on a daily basis and steal the tax money and charity gathered by left wingers in europe and USA}. You say we need to send waves after waves of troops {without air support or artilary support} Like its a bloody WW1.

2} Fight Hamas in a open field like its freaking Waterloo 1812.

Hamas ahs no other option to fight us, rather then hiding among civilians. You cant denay that. Wher are they going to hide their rockets? Open fields? In the sea? Wher are they gonna fight Israeli soliders?! Face to face on the fields outside Gaza city?


About Iraq - whats going on in Iraq has nothing to do with USA. the opposite actualy. USA helped Iraq build a western democracy with elections and all. Not perfect yet, but better then Saddam days. USA didnt fought Iraq, They fought Saddam. Most of the troops were Iraq'is and Saudi's. Same in Afganistan. Its Afgan fighting Afgans, but one side is supported by USA and the UN {Germans, English, French and many other countries}.
Same in Syria. Peopels in USA and europe laughe at USA for supporting ISIS, But in fact the ysupport the democratic front. If the democratic front in Syria will win, Its will be a much better middle east then the other scenario in which Assad stay in position. But Assad is the minor evil rather then Al-Nosra and ISIS, and seem to be the force that can beat them.

 
Reply to The Israel and Palestine War

You must be logged in to post a reply!