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Posted Jul 4, '08 at 1:47am

EL_Dyablo_666

EL_Dyablo_666

621 posts

I don't mean for this to be inappropriate or disrespectful, but, is it true that women are being degraded in the Adult Film Industry.

What do you think, are they being degraded or not.

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 2:02am

Strop

Strop

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This could be quite similar to another thread in the past, but I can make it fundamentally different for you:

A common objection to the majority of pornography (and by this I mean the commercial sort) is that it 'objectifies women'. I first heard this criticism when I was a kid and it took me several years to figure out what the heck people meant by this...now I suspect most people don't know what they're talking about!

But I do, so here you go.

The criticisms are true in the following senses:

1) Normative expectations- being a commercial world unto itself, there are just certain things that one comes to expect from pornography in general, and this applies to the behaviors of the women within. However I'd add that this also applies to just about everything else...

2) The reason why people are against the treatment of women in pornography is because, frankly, porn is a man's world. On average it relates more readily to the male way of functioning (highly visual, easily compartmentalised)- I'll explain in more detail. I reckon that those who get the most out of the common types of pornography out there pretty much look at it and pick out the elements that relate to them, and ignore the rest. It's a gateway to the most basic of on/off mechanisms available (one reason why people can get addicted to it).

3) It's therefore in this way that women are 'objectified' to, say, your average (purportedly) heterosexual male with sex on the brain: they become mere notions and their personhood is stripped away (and furthermore the male actors in these things become complete non-entities). In a more 'normal' context, one might expect that a person would like to be considered as such, but in the professional adult industry this expectation is reversed: you're supposed to mold yourself to the template of the imaginations of a billion people.

Not that this necessarily makes the adult industry in itself a bad one, but I find that people are learning less how to relate to other people and so in being immersed in such things, other areas of their education being deficient, various issues and attitudes that have been identified as problematic aren't going to change. In general, once again I'd say we need to open things up a little and away from the rigid nature of patriarchy (I think I just admitted to being some kind of feminist, haha).


In short: everybody gets 'degraded' in the adult industry, in some way or form.

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 5:57am

woody_7007

woody_7007

2,757 posts

At the end of the day its the womens choice if they want to do it or not. And frankly they should know what they are getting into before they become actresses in thesee films. They sacrifice their dignity for money as soon as they go in front of the camera.

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 8:03am

Strop

Strop

11,085 posts

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In most jobs one sacrifices their dignity for the money one way or another :P

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 9:26am

Butters

Butters

943 posts

I agree with woody_7007.

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 11:55am

SkullZero1

SkullZero1

524 posts

Of course women are being objectified in the adult film industry, that's their whole job, and if they don't want to be objectified, then they shouldn't work as one.

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 12:06pm

woody_7007

woody_7007

2,757 posts

In most jobs one sacrifices their dignity for the money one way or another :P


Yes thats me Strop i have to wear a uniform and do what people say. In some ways i am like a porn star lol. Lets not open that door.
 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 7:02pm

EL_Dyablo_666

EL_Dyablo_666

621 posts

I agree with woody_7007 because he has point and he's right.

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 7:43pm

thelistman

thelistman

1,454 posts

Women have the choice to enter the porn industry. Women actors also have the choice of what they want to do on screen in non-adult films. Many actresses have "no-nudity clauses" in their contracts.

In the end, it is about the choice of the woman. If she chooses to be involved in a sex scene, is it really degrading? I don't think so.

 

Posted Jul 4, '08 at 7:51pm

woody_7007

woody_7007

2,757 posts

Yes but i think it is more degrading in a porn film by a long way. Sex scenes in commercial films are fake and so the actors and actresses involved have nothing at stake. In porn films they lose their dignity. It isnt degrading what happens in a fake sex scene in a romantic film but you cant compare that to sum twisted scene in hard core porno. I said before that the women have a choice in the matter about it being degrading which is true however many of the young actresses only do it as a last resort if they are in dire straits financially. Very few are careerists and porn stars who aim to become famous from it. Lots of young girls do it to pay the bills which isnt right i think.

 
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