ForumsWEPRCan we try to find some positivity? (Current American Political Landscape)

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I am a Donald Trump supporter, but the hatred and name calling from both major political parties and candidates was something I personally hoped would come to pass regardless of the result of the election. Unfortunately, it seems that we are still as divided as before the current president was announced. This saddens me, because even though Americans are very discontent with one another, at the end of the day, we are still supposed to all be on the same side. At this point, I just wish we could all at least settle for the common ground of simply being Americans. Any and all thoughts are welcome.

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Okay I'm going to try to be positive and I will pretend that I don't despise the guy and I don't have a burning hatred for the Republican party.

Let's pretend I'm an alternate version of myself.

Believe me this is very hard to do but I will try.

I agree with Trump about bringing back factories to the US and punish companies oversees and give a tax break to the companies who come back and employ American workers.

There I said it!

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@Olinser

Right now his best trait is that he seems intent on actually fulfilling his campaign promises - which is quite refreshing in a politician.
He really isn't, though. His promises consisted of glittering generalities, solutions to nonexistent problems, and quaint but clearly illogical boasts.

But overall he seems to be moving in the right direction.
In what conceivable sense is that?

On the other hand, you would be EXTREMELY hard pressed to find American liberals willing to admit the many deep flaws that Clinton has and demonstrated as a Presidential candidate, or one that will say that a Clinton presidency would have been anything other than sugar and rainbows raining down from the sky.
I don't believe that even you believe what you just said there.

But Trump HAS to be evil. Because if Republicans aren't actually evil, then maybe SSTG isn't particularly smart or virtuous.
Of course! And if doctors aren't actually evil, then maybe malpractice suits aren't particularly important or useful, and if tobacco plants aren't actually evil, then maybe cigarrettes aren't very toxic or carcinogenic, and if sentences aren't actually evil, maybe your conditional isn't as relevant or logical as you seem to think it is.

In order to avoid confronting the reality of how bad a candidate and person Clinton was, or how some liberal positions and policies either will not work or are simply not popular, liberals are lashing out and screaming and stamping their feet calling Trump a Nazi, evil racist, bigot, XXXXist, whatever. Because to do anything else would require them to examine themselves and realize the shortcomings of their own party, candidate, and positions that allowed him to be elected in the first place.
No. They're calling Trump a racist, bigot, and whatever because he's a racist bigoted whatever. The evil Nazi stuff is just hyperbole unless you're basing this argument on youtube conspiracy videos, in which latter case it's exactly the same groundless lunacy that goes into the conspiracy videos about Clinton and virtually everything else under the sun.

Obama and the Democrats, in the same manner, rode to victory promising change, and had a golden opportunity to secure their dominance for years simply by delivering. Instead, they failed to deliver what they promised, and what they DID deliver was roundly rejected by a pretty strong majority of Americans. In failing to deliver, they gave the Republicans back the largest majority they have had in quite literally almost 100 years.
So? If you're trying to make a point here, it's in need of clarification.

[...] the people that are emotionally invested in Trump and Republicans being evil are not interested in any rational or logical argument to the contrary.
Which is why these people, imaginary or otherwise, have no relevance to any discussion on politics.

Not once in any of his rantings has he come close to admitting that Clinton was a terrible, unpopular candidate with myriad flaws.
Okay, then. Have you tried, I dunno, asking him about that? The basis of your own argument appears to be "This person is completely and unambiguously opposed to Trump; therefore this person (and, by extension, any other person opposed to Trump) is an absolute unshakable supporter of Clinton and suffers from a pathological state of willful ignorance that makes any recognition of her shortcomings completely impossible."
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Thank you @SSTG for contributing to the original purpose of me starting this thread. While I am not entirely happy with the derailing mentioned by others, I am very appreciative of you finding something nice to say about someone you do not like or respect. I wanted to focus on the need to generate some common ground in America, and everyone doing something to assist that is positive in my eyes.

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Thank you @SSTG for contributing to the original purpose of me starting this thread. While I am not entirely happy with the derailing mentioned by others, I am very appreciative of you finding something nice to say about someone you do not like or respect. I wanted to focus on the need to generate some common ground in America, and everyone doing something to assist that is positive in my eyes.

You're welcome. It'll take a long time for people to get together because of the huge party divisions but if the current investigation prove to be right about Russia messing with the US and
Europe in order to divide us up then we all have a good reason to unite and make whoever dare messing with our country pay the price.
In other word we're gonna kick some a$$!

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@FishPreferred

So? If you're trying to make a point here, it's in need of clarification.

I think he is saying that SSTG, being a Democrat, was part or at least a voter of the party that practically gave the Republicans their majority in those elections. In all he is trying to shoot down the previous notion by SSTG that... let me find it...

Oh yes. Here:

The reason why Trump is president is because of the lousy jobs the Republican did and people were fed up with the corruption. Now look at what's happening, more corruption than ever!

SSTG here is a particularly interesting case study in cognitive dissonance because he claims that 'Trump is President because of the lousy job the Republicans did and people were fed up with the corruption'. In other words, SSTG is literally claiming a Republican got elected because people were fed up with the lousy job the Republicans were doing.

Which is why these people, imaginary or otherwise, have no relevance to any discussion on politics.

I think he is trying to point out that SSTG might be one

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I think he is saying that SSTG, being a Democrat, was part or at least a voter of the party that practically gave the Republicans their majority in those elections. In all he is trying to shoot down the previous notion by SSTG [...]
In which case he's doing a terrible job. When one party's agenda is limiting government authority and empowering the private sector, the next party to take office cannot rationally be blamed for lacking the power and authority to change things.

I think he is trying to point out that SSTG might be one
In which case he's still doing a terrible job by ignoring his opponent's argument in favour of a fictional one.

Slightly unrelated, but I believe that we can all agree that this was (or was one of) the worst election(s) in American history.
Well, the phrase Scylla and Charybdis certainly comes to mind.
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I call upon everyone who has posted so far to not get overheated here. It is one thing to point out that an argument is overly emotional in less emotional language, and another to just trade barbs.

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Clinton and Trump are deeply flawed individuals. But one is a deeply flawed individual who knows her way around Washington and has years of experience in government. The other is a corporate magnate, no doubt leading him to possess valuable skills, with a mixed business record, who has never been in government. I think Clinton edges out on him for most observers.

If I was American I would have voted for Clinton although Trump should get his period of grace. I can see why angry voters have flocked to Trump. Unfortunately, the 100 day mark which Presidencies are traditionally given an initial grading on is fast approaching, and his record isn't exactly stellar to say the least. The Republican Party needs to act like a party that is governing and no longer like the party in opposition that it has been for years.

His healthcare plan is a case in point: It seems like he did not bother about policy details but tried to rush out a badly thought out plan just to repeal a vilified one, and then flipflopped and threatened party members who did not step in line with him. It won't inspire confidence.

Let's see how he goes on with his tax plans, especially given that they were rather dependent on his healthcare savings.

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