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MrDayCee
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Heyo all you fine gaming denizens of Armoria!

Some of you may have already heard about this new 'thing' going around in gaming land for some time, but for those that hear (read) about it for the first time, let's get you up to speed real quick!

The Discord Chat application is a free medium for gamers around the world to connect and discuss games. With the ever-growing gaming community world-wide, there now is a simple voice and text chat system that lets you communicate with other people while playing your favorite games.

As Armor Games is continuously expanding in the world of gaming, we feel that the need for a Discord Chat Server specifically for our respected Armor Games users may be now more than ever. That is why we decided to launch one of our own and we would like you all to join and try out this new way of connecting with other Armor Games users.

That is why we have an invite link for you to join up and create a free AGS Discord account!
CLICK ME TO JOIN!

Just to make sure, all our Armor Games' Rules and Guidelines for Comment, Chat and Forums apply on this AGS Discord Chat.

And if you have any questions, let me know and I'll be sure to answer them to the best of my knowledge. See you all on AGS Discord!

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Ferret
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We'll see you there.

MrDayCee
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I'm sorry you feel that way @MattEmAngel as well as the way you addressed this...

MrDayCee
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Again, I'm sorry for the way you feel. Abusing my Moderator powers is not what I'm doing here. If I were, I would have simply deleted your post, hush it up and slap a ban on your account. Because that is what proper abusing of powers would look like. What I actually did here was try to make you see that you are ranting about a subject dear to you and are close to the border of being disrespectful. I showed leniency by not deleting your post, but simply extracting the link from it. Several rules have been broken in the initial post, so I'm more than friendly towards your person @MattEmAngel ...

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Hmm. I am thinking I missed something here @MrDayCee and most importantly, @Ferret . Without meaning any disrespect at all, I do seem to recall the reason that the unofficial server was to be kept out of the forums. The last time (a few months ago) that an invite to the unofficial Discord server was posted in the forums (specifically Guest_Pegasus' reveal thread) the reason that we should not invite people in that server was this

Which, to quote, was:

it's not in line with what this forum strives for: building a community on Armor Games.

So, if I may ask, what caused the shift in the direction? Does the official server build more of a community on Armor Games? Especially when half of the members there are beta testers of sorts, or otherwise people that are not very active here, in the forums, or the site community?

Don't get me wrong. I still like the idea of an official Discord server. And I'd like to see some more members there, so consider this my encouragement to anyone reading it, to join (It probably has a lot of coffee there, come quickly before Ferret can drink all of it ) This does not imply at all that inviting people in the unofficial Discord now seems ok, as, like Ferret pointed out in the same post above, it still violates one of the TOC.
Just wondering about the change of heart

Ferret
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We still do strive for that, in this case we're testing something outside Armor Games in an official capacity to see how it helps/hurts. It's really as simple as that.

helpo1
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I haven't participated in the old Discord vs. NoDiscord argument so far, but I think I should express my opinion.


As for one of the more active members of the Armor Games Unofficial, Discord is probably the discovery of the year for me personally. As a piece of software, it is one of the, if not the best chat and VoIP app I've ever seen. That, however, is still only half of its success. The other half are the capable and experienced people who run the servers.

I can't nor do I want to judge you on this matter, because I don't know how much time and work you've invested into it so far and how much you're yet going to invest, but if you open both servers next to each other, you're going to see the difference. I think you missed a great opportunity to reach out to the long-time AG users who have quite a bit of experience with moderating Discord servers and managing bots.


Let's be honest, AG has never had any decent kind of chat. After buggy Disqus and heavily limited Arrowchat, the users wanted a reliable chat platform. Discord provided them with possibilities that AG never did or wanted to - voice channels, in-game communication, PMs that actually work when the recipient is offline and many other things. It was intended to work along AG, not to replace it. However, AG missed the boat and instead thought of it as a threat.

I've seen Matt's first post and IMHO it is an understandable, albeit somewhat sarcastically phrased result of the quarrel that's been going on in here for half a year. After being the one who most vocally defended the idea of AG Discord for months and was criticized for that, I think you could've expected he was going to be sarcastic about AG suddenly doing an unexpected one-eighty.

I don't think removing the link in his post was necessary (nor, on the other hand, that much of a big deal), because anyone who wants to join the unofficial server will always be able to look it up, and search engines are going to return the original thread as the number one search result for (at the very least) a few days no matter how popular this one becomes. TBH, I did expect a bit of self-reflection on your side and at least acknowledging the original idea. And although I don't approve of neither the tone nor the content of the other two Matt's posts as they were indeed rather over the edge, I think that his frustration over this situation was quite obvious in them.

As far as the rule-breaking goes, even though technically you might be right ( "links to other services" ), I would honestly expect for these to be classified as bona fide actions. The vast majority of websites I've been on during my lifetime considers links to other services fine as long as they aren't directly advertised in order to gain some kind of profit and they're relevant to the matter on hand (and, of course, do not break other rules such as #7-9).


To sum up, I don't think I'll be joining your server anytime soon, honestly, because there is no reason to. Having the chance to contact moderators and admins much more quickly and reliably is a great thing, but as of now, that's about all it has to offer - and one can still do that even without joining the server itself.

Good luck with your project. I hope I'm wrong and it'll pleasantly surprise me.

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Should I post it now, to let everyone see how DISHONEST you are?
If a post doesn't comply with the ToS, it needs to be either edited or removed. That isn't dishonesty; that's just good housekeeping.

YOU should have mentioned the other discord in your announcement, [...]
Uh ... Forgive my ignorance, but ... why, exactly, would that be?

The current one has all the same rules (no swearing, no pornography, no harassment, etc).
Yes. And who will have the task of maintaining those rules indefinitely?

It has the same sections (Tavern, WEPR, Art, etc).
I'd like to point out to everyone that this is silly regardless of who is in charge. None of those categories have anything to gain from any kind of chat system whatsoever.

And it has several dozen active, long-term members of the community who give a darn about the site.
So, apparently, did the FGA at one time or another.

The only real difference is that you specifically don't have authority in the unofficial AG discord, [...]
Another quality it has in common with FGA. One which I would think you, of all people, should see the problem with.

You openly discouraged negative feelings here on the forums. Do you really expect to get honest feedback when negativity is scolded?
Dude. I'm, like, negativity incarnate, and I've only been scolded for not bringing feelings into things. Honesty does not require a belligerent attitude.
HahiHa
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Having said that, it makes little sense to make a new one that is "Official."

The unofficial chat being unofficial is precisely the issue though, isn't it? What would the alternatives be? Take over the unofficial chat and make it official? You would have screamed bloody murder. Deprive AG of having an officially endorsed Discord chat entirely just because someone already made a fan chat (not trying to sound pejorative, please accept my apologies if I did)? That hardly seems fair.
FishPreferred
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Whoever is currently the administrator/moderator. In this case, it is mainly Riptizoid101, though pangtongshu and StormWalker also have moderator privileges and are usually online. From my experience, there has always been a moderator present on the Discord.
And they will continue to uphold these rules themselves, either until Armor Games ceases to exist, or until hell freezes over (whichever is sooner)?

It helps keep the AG forums clean from short posts about individual topics that would otherwise all be in individual threads, which would over time just become clutter.
Okay, then. I withdraw my earlier statement on this.

But that is not the point, which was a claim that he accused users on the other discord of not being respected, and that it was wrong for him to portray the new Discord as the first and only Discord.
Did he, though? Unless it has since been changed, the OP stated the following:

"Some of you may have already heard about this new 'thing' going around in gaming land for some time, [...]"
I.E. Discord has been around for a while, but DayCee considers it new, nonetheless.

"As Armor Games is continuously expanding in the world of gaming, we feel that the need for a Discord Chat Server specifically for our respected Armor Games users may be now more than ever."
I.E. the AG staff have at this point deemed it necessary to have a Discord Chat Server. Not necessarily that it is lacking one, but that it is necessary.

That is why we decided to launch one of our own and we would like you all to join and try out this new way of connecting with other Armor Games users.
I.E. In light of this decision, AG has opened its own server on the relatively new platform that is Discord.
FishPreferred
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Forgot to answer this last bit:

Would you appreciate it (emphasis on appreciate) if I replied to all of your responses with "I'm sorry you feel that way, as well as the way you addressed it?"
I have too little interest in what people think of my feelings to be appreciative of that, but I would take into consideration any concerns over my method of addressing issues.
HahiHa
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Taking over the unofficial one is... unrealistic. One of the main benefits is the freedom to speak your mind about Armor Games without intervention, which is not a feature the AGS Discord will have.

It will, unless you have a habit of voicing feedback in a way that breaks any rule - but then why claim that it "has all the same rules - unless what you have to say is sure to hurt or offend certain users; then let them have their unofficial thread where they can talk about anything they want, and let AG have their official one.

Like it or not, AGS is more detrimental than beneficial if the goal is to "connect AG users.*

I'm sorry if this sounds a bit cold, but even if those users currently using the unofficial chat stay in the unofficial chat, that represents no loss in user interaction if they are already not interacting with those who are not there now. The schism already exists, all AG is doing is providing a Discord chat for those who haven't used one yet, for whatever reason. Of course it would be better to have everyone in the same chat, but how could you do that if some users just "don't trust the staff"?

And for the record, several moderators DID endorse the chat when it was first launched.

That means nothing if ArmorGames doesn't.
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I "endorsed" it, but in the capacity of a friend I think. I don't do any modding on the unofficial chat lol.

Graham
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I'm just here to say that CountingTime and ForumGamesAlliance have been merged into one discord for years now.

#OG REPRESENT

Also since it works on the invite system, Ferret can't extort Pangtongshu into disbarring any more moderators for voicing dissenting opinions (Devoidless)

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@nicho please come back into chat I miss you

did the FGA at one time or another.

Still do, actually. More for the community itself, rather than the location at this point ya feel ya feel.

Another quality it has in common with FGA. One which I would think you, of all people, should see the problem with.

huh? why what's good
We've been going steady for like 4 years now with zero accounts of infighting and steady increase in members of the chat so sounds more like a solution rather than a problem eh

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Back in my day, when a user suggested an idea that resonated well, the staff would convene and try to integrate the feature into the site....Wait no, hang on, let me try again. Back in my day, when a user suggested an idea that resonated well, the staff would spend energy suggesting ways in which the idea would backfire or not be of any importance to community activity. Couple years ago, when a user suggested an idea that resonated well amidst staff reluctance to integrate the feature into the site, they would then find a third-party feature to integrate into the site, third-party feature either costing little or free. Something something make money not spend it wisely.

But now, oh man this is brilliant. Now, when a user suggested an idea that resonated well, the staff would just plain blow them off. We use the feature we collectively thought was a good idea. Staff finds out. Staff says "no no, it's unofficial, we need you here to keep an eye on y'all!." where's the T&C on that rule, Mister? Then while mulling over what to do about the rascals on this new feature, someone in the staff says "wait, hold up, this is actually a good idea!" So they use it, feature it on the community, and censor further links to the proto-feature because it wasn't their idea and it's not on their leash. Nevermind that using an Official Discord will further damage the site's activity, further plummeting their Alexa rankings. And this was all before the juicy Chatango memories, that's a spicy burrito of itself!

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