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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:34pm
RaptorExx
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btw that was in response to the comment BW made before Carlie came in :(
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:39pm
Carlie
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Personally, I have never had to make the choice. But I fully support every womans choice to make it, and want to protect my right to as well.
If you consider it life after one day, after the first cells start to divide, then what do you think about what they do in labs? When they do not allow them to grow to term, do you believe that that is wrong?
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:42pm
Bloody_Wolf
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Look, I don't want to sit here and just parry these arguments, so I'll make a thrust of my own. Let's turn the discussion around again.
Let me ask you, do you consider yourself to be patriotic? This one's going to be from a Constitutional point of view. The Declaration of Independence mentions certain "inalienable rights" which cannot be withheld from anyone. I believe there's a clause in the U.S. Constitution saying the same, but I'd have to find it again after all this time... My argument is this. These inalienable rights are listed in the Declaration as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If a citizen, in this case a baby, is denied the first of these, life, he certainly cannot pursue the others. Thus, is it not our Constitutional duty to make sure every U.S. citizen has a shot at life? It's only a basic right, after all. And come on, even children of illegal aliens, if born on our soil, are considered American citizens, and they are also entitled to these rights. How much MORE should an all-American baby be guaranteed these rights, most of all the right to life.
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:43pm
RaptorExx
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of course, however it must always depend on the reason for this
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:44pm
Carlie
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Personally, I am not patriotic. And I do not take it to mean so literally when it comes to abortion.
It was my impression that most people consider it bad after a few months, because that is when the child actually starts to develop and sense. It is not often that I find someone who views it from the point of conception.
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:45pm
Bloody_Wolf
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Carlie, and all of you, should know this. I believe that from the moment a sperm joins an egg, that single cell which is created is a complete human being with a body, a mind, and a spirit. So yes, I believe lab activities which end the life of that single cell or any that it divides into are wrong.
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:46pm
Lennywins
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That's hard to argue, coming form a legal standpoint. I don't know the constitution well enough to do so very well, but do these inalienable rights apply to everyone according to the constitution, or just U.S. citizens? It doesn't really change anything, I just want to know.
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:47pm
RaptorExx
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i'm not going to argue 'constitutional rights' here, as I believe they have long been 'forgotten' by society.
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:50pm
Carlie
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Well I can't say that I agree, but you have every right to believe in that. I don't think we will be able to really agree on anything, but it has been interesting to see your opinions.
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Posted Feb 11, '08 at 10:54pm
RaptorExx
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on who's? I just don't believe CR belong here much, and as much, my opinion remains unchanged about the subject :)
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