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Ok, you seem to be coming from a religious standpoint, Bloody, so I have a question for you.

What do you think about all of the natural miscarraiges that happen every day? Essentially, it is a natural abortion, period. I don't know how religious you are or if you believe in a god, even, but if so, ultimately god would be the abortionist.

I am a guy, period. I can never understand what a woman has to go through in that circumstance, which is precisely the reason that I am pro-choice. Do abortions make me a little iffy? Absolutely. Do I like the idea? Not in the slightest.

Do I feel like I, a man, have the right to make the decision that no woman will ever be able to legally and safely have a procedure done that could potentially save her life OR spare a child's life from torment?

No.

That's not my call.

Abortion is a sad thing, no doubt about it, but it's always happened and it always WILL happen, most likely. From a practical standpoint, keeping it legal lets mothers have the procedure done in a way that will not harm their own life. If we prohibit it, people will resort to back alley abortions and all kinds of complications will occur. It's just not smart.

To answer your prior question, I agree with the others who stated that I wouldn't give a crap if I was aborted. I'd never have existed. No harm, no foul.

When it comes to the Constitution, we are not a citizen until we are born, period. Your usage of the right to life strikes just as fiercely at yourself, however, when it comes to a circumstance where the mother will die if childbirth happens. What happens to her right to life then?

You too, Carlie. Oh, Lenny, those "inalienable rights," according to the Declaration, apply to all humans, not just U.S. citizens.

OK thanks.

Razaki, my point about the threat of death during childbirth was that if you cannot save both the mother and the child, you must save one of them. To let them both die would be wrong; is that what you were saying already? And I do believe in one God. I'm a Christian, shouldn't be ashamed of that fact. Now you all know. As for God being an abortionist because He allows miscarriages to happen, no. Also, just because deadly car crashes happen, or that old people die naturally, that does not make God a murderer. He always knows what will happen in advance, but He does not do anything to actually cause the death of a person. And, though He is often saddened by human behavior, He does not interfere with our free will to choose. As for your "guy" argument, my answer is that I'm a human. Period. Women and babies are also human, and I can understand human feelings. My opinion on this matter is not because of insensitivity, I assure you.

Well, letting both of them die would be idiotic, I agree with you there. It just seemed as though you were saying that a fetus' supposed "rights" would trump the mother's, and I disagreed.

Well, you hold God to a different standard than society holds its own people...

In society, if we know that something will happen that will put someone in mortal danger and we willingly stand by and watch them die, we are guilty of criminal negligence or even accessory to murder in some cases. Intentional apathy is not that much different than hateful activism.

Well, of course you're human, but there is a gender disconnect that is hard to overstate. Just as a woman will never completely understand the way that we will sometimes think, we can never understand what they will have to go through during childbirth.

I don't believe that your opinion is due to insensitivity, per se, only a natural lack of understanding that is not due to your own fault.

I see what you're trying to say about God's foresight in things, but if He kept saving us from trouble, no one would ever die, and that has to happen eventually. If they never died, they could never go to Heaven, right? That doesn't make it acceptable to kill someone and send them to Heaven (possibly the other place) before their time. That's the worst kind of meddling anyone can do. You could send someone to Hell that way, when if they had just a little more time to live, they could have ended up in Heaven. Also, God doesn't stop us from misbehaving because He wants us to choose the right behavior for ourselves rather than being forced. He doesn't want a race of robots.

Carlie, I know an unwanted baby is a heavy burden to carry alone. I believe it is a man's responsibility to share the burden with a woman if she happens to become pregnant. Although many men simply run off after they find out, I believe there would be fewer abortions if those women had the support and encouragement of their man. Any man who would leave a woman in a situation like that is a coward.

So, you're saying that you think God is omniscient and omnipotent, but chooses to let us go on our happy way, only intervening from time to time, rather than directly controlling every event? That's neat, that's always how I thought it worked, but wasn't sure who else thought of it that way.